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View Poll Results: Will Columbus ever be the largest metro in Ohio?
Yes (definitely) 68 51.13%
No (never) 25 18.80%
Maybe 40 30.08%
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Old 01-24-2023, 04:58 AM
 
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My delusion? Do you have any idea what's happening along I-75?

Dayton and Cincinnati....with Middletown and Hamilton....are ALREADY operating as a unified Metro.

And it is my belief, you heard it here first, that within less than 10 years the CBD Metroplex (3.200.000) will start to grow FASTER than Columbus. Mark my words.
Yes, delusion. Cincinnati and Dayton will never be a single MSA. They don't operate as a unified metro right now. Dayton has its own media market for crying out loud. Yes, I know what's happening along I-75. Sprawl. That doesn't make a metro or the entire Northeast United States would be a single metro. Cincinnati is growing steadily, but Columbus is the one accelerating right now. I'm positive by this time next year Columbus MSA will surpass Cincinnati MSA in number of jobs.
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Old 01-24-2023, 05:42 AM
 
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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There is still tons of developable land in Western, Southwestern, Southern, and Southeastern Franklin County. Despite this, Franklin County is at 2,484ppsm. Cuyahoga is at 2,734. Down from its 1970 peak of 3,767. Franklin County would have to hit 2,004,044 to match that Cuyahoga peak. Maybe by 2070!
I would bet that land gets developed into large single family homes very spread out from each other. It's kinda sad to see that loss of open fields and landscape in Franklin county.
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Old 01-28-2023, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Cleveland
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The Cleveland CSA will be larger than both Cinci and Columbus for quite a while - if not forever. Depending upon how you want to tabulate it, its somewhere between 3M and 3.6M. Media markets ratings:
19 = Cleveland
33 = Columbus
36 = Cincinnati

You can count heads any number of ways you want, but we got a lot more people up here than you do down there, the media companies say so. And that's what really matters when you want an NBA franchise, or something similar.

That having been said, congrats to Columbus on getting the Intel fabs.
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Old 01-28-2023, 07:27 PM
 
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Yes, delusion. Cincinnati and Dayton will never be a single MSA. They don't operate as a unified metro right now. Dayton has its own media market for crying out loud. Yes, I know what's happening along I-75. Sprawl. That doesn't make a metro or the entire Northeast United States would be a single metro. Cincinnati is growing steadily, but Columbus is the one accelerating right now. I'm positive by this time next year Columbus MSA will surpass Cincinnati MSA in number of jobs.

You are totally uniformed and lack a basic understanding of the CBD Metroplex. It isn't just sprawl

As I mentioned before, both Hamilton and Middletown are legacy river cities, just like Cincinnati and Dayton. In 1960, Hamilton -Middletown was a separate TOP100 Metro area according to the Census, fully one-third as big as Metro Columbus.

Middletown and Hamilton have their own suburbs, and even their own Media market in the form of the Journal-News. And believe it or not, at one time, both Hamilton and Middletown had their own television stations

Lebanon, Franklin, and Miamisburg are three other small cities that have historic downtowns between Cincy and Dayton.

And there are now 6 or 7 "new urbanist" developments up and down 75 in various stages of planning and development.

Think of the CBD Metroplex like a North South river version of the Wasatch Front.
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Old 01-28-2023, 07:48 PM
 
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Check out the sprawl of Hamilton Ohio, where the WORLD'S LARGEST sports training facility Spooky Nook is opening this year. It's in a gigantic old repurposed paper mill on the West side of the Great Miami River, visible at 6:45 in this video.

https://youtu.be/YmLVKk48mY4
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Old 01-28-2023, 11:39 PM
 
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According to this website.,.. Middletown is the second-fastest growing city amongst the Top15 largest in Ohio.....after Columbus......so there you go ..

https://www.biggestuscities.com/oh/2020
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Old 01-29-2023, 11:33 AM
 
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The Cleveland CSA will be larger than both Cinci and Columbus for quite a while - if not forever. Depending upon how you want to tabulate it, its somewhere between 3M and 3.6M. Media markets ratings:
19 = Cleveland
33 = Columbus
36 = Cincinnati

You can count heads any number of ways you want, but we got a lot more people up here than you do down there, the media companies say so. And that's what really matters when you want an NBA franchise, or something similar.

That having been said, congrats to Columbus on getting the Intel fabs.
The classic have your cake and eat it too argument from Clevelanders. Columbus is only big because of annexation and sprawl! Also, Cleveland is clearly largest. Just look at its 6,437 square mile CSA! A hypothetical Cincinnati-Dayton CSA is already at the 3.3 million mark; just shy of Cleveland's 3.6 million. The Columbus CSA (with only one MSA i.e. the least sprawl) needs only one million to even up to the other two. That should happen by 2050.

I just love it. First, Columbus is a tiny cow town. They surpass Cleveland and Cincinnati, and it's because of annexation. It's all about the core county now. Then Franklin passes Cuyahoga, and it's well, really the real measure is MSA. Now MSA has passed Cleveland and will pass Cincinnati by 2030 and it's well, really the real measure is CSA. OK. See you in 25 years.

Meanwhile, the most comparable measure there is is Urban Area, and Columbus is the most dense and soon to be the most populated. I'd argue that is more important for weekday NHL, NBA, and MLB games than far flung people in neighboring MSAs. Obviously media markets are important measures for TV, but a lot more goes into it than that. Your numbers are old anyway. Columbus is up to 32 and may get to 30 soon. Cleveland is still 19, but Sacramento is catching up. And what does that tell you? You think Sacramento is a comparable region to NEO? Not a chance (I don't believe it either). That's why those comparisons can be silly.

Don't be surprised if the Guardians move to Columbus in the next 13 years (Progressive Field lease ends in 2036). I'd say the Cavs, but their owner seems to be more Cleveland-centric. Funny, coming from a Detroit guy. Meanwhile, the Dolans sold 25% of the Guardians to an outsider from Jersey with an option for him to be majority owner by 2028.

The Intel fabs are just a part. Although a huge part. The Columbus economy is set to boom in the next five years. It'll surpass the Cincinnati MSA in jobs and GDP in that time. With jobs come... people. With people come more services, amenities, etc. We haven't witnessed Columbus' boom yet. Imagine if instead of denying Columbus' elevation into Ohio's premiere city for the last 30 years you had bought some land or properties down here!
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Old 01-29-2023, 11:39 AM
 
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According to this website.,.. Middletown is the second-fastest growing city amongst the Top15 largest in Ohio.....after Columbus......so there you go ..

https://www.biggestuscities.com/oh/2020
...OK. Both Dublin and Newark will pass it in the next five years.
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Old 01-29-2023, 11:40 AM
 
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You are totally uniformed and lack a basic understanding of the CBD Metroplex. It isn't just sprawl

As I mentioned before, both Hamilton and Middletown are legacy river cities, just like Cincinnati and Dayton. In 1960, Hamilton -Middletown was a separate TOP100 Metro area according to the Census, fully one-third as big as Metro Columbus.

Middletown and Hamilton have their own suburbs, and even their own Media market in the form of the Journal-News. And believe it or not, at one time, both Hamilton and Middletown had their own television stations

Lebanon, Franklin, and Miamisburg are three other small cities that have historic downtowns between Cincy and Dayton.

And there are now 6 or 7 "new urbanist" developments up and down 75 in various stages of planning and development.

Think of the CBD Metroplex like a North South river version of the Wasatch Front.
Meanwhile Akron and Cleveland are still separate MSAs. Yet you believe Cincinnati and Dayton will be a single MSA. Not going to happen. CSA? Likely. MSA? Not going to happen.
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Old 01-29-2023, 12:37 PM
 
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Meanwhile Akron and Cleveland are still separate MSAs. Yet you believe Cincinnati and Dayton will be a single MSA. Not going to happen. CSA? Likely. MSA? Not going to happen.

I could not care less what a bunch of bureaucrats in DC say. Last week the Cincinnati Enquirer had a front page story on the homeless issue in Middletown. The title of the article was "Butler County City...."...and the Dayton Daily News the next day spoke of the Dayton-Butler region.

It is an emerging urban agglomeration with multiple urban nodes that is rapidly melting together.
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