10-21-2020, 04:15 PM
Location: La Jolla
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Cleveland Hopkins has one major advantage over Columbus and most U.S. airports. The Red Line rail rapid has a terminal right next to its luggage pick-up. For the $2.50 fare, you can go to Tower City in the heart of downtown, a massive complex with Cleveland's casino and two hotels, one a Ritz. Tower City is connected to Rocket Mortgage Field House (NBA, AHL) by an enclosed walkway. So you can go from the airport to the casino or RMFH without ever stepping outside. The pedestrian walkway also serves Progressive Field (MLB). For NFL games, the RTA Waterfront rail line runs from Tower City to First Energy Stadium.
The Red Line, for the same $2.50 fare also would take passengers from the airport to University Circle and Little Italy, 16 miles away. Case Western University has a Red Line station. Imagine if there was a rail rapid from the Columbus airport to Ohio State!!!
https://www.universitycircle.org/
This excellent mass transit functionality rarely is considered when evaluating Cleveland Hopkins.
This is almost certainly why Cleveland hosted the RNC and Columbus didn't. People can deny the efficacy of interurban rail all they want, but having airport to downtown connections is a huge factor into why someone will ever even decide to visit your city.
If you're dropping into an unfamiliar city for a few days, having to rent a car is a burden, as is $48 Lyft fares from the airport to your hotel.
10-21-2020, 05:42 PM
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This is almost certainly why Cleveland hosted the RNC and Columbus didn't. People can deny the efficacy of interurban rail all they want, but having airport to downtown connections is a huge factor into why someone will ever even decide to visit your city.
Lmao no it's not. The majority of Americans are not rail enthusiasts like you are. If I want to visit a place for leisure, I'm not going to just decide to not go if the city doesn't have an airport to downtown rail, especially when things like Uber/Lyft exist. Cities like Nashville, Tampa, and San Antonio seem to be doing fine in tourism despite lacking this.
For people that can afford to travel for leisure, a $30 Uber (which is around what most of them are) is not a burden.
10-21-2020, 09:37 PM
Location: La Jolla
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Lmao no it's not. The majority of Americans are not rail enthusiasts like you are. If I want to visit a place for leisure, I'm not going to just decide to not go if the city doesn't have an airport to downtown rail, especially when things like Uber/Lyft exist. Cities like Nashville, Tampa, and San Antonio seem to be doing fine in tourism despite lacking this.
I guess from inside the bubble of Columbus, Ohio anyone using mass transit is a "rail enthusiast"
Also "traveling for leisure" isn't some kind of exclusive activity for the jet-set. That's why you occasionally see airfares for less than $50 between major cities. For a lot of people when you add up airfare, hotel/AirBnb/entertainment, yes the burden of paying 20X what a rail trip from the airport to downtown costs using rideshare would indeed make or break a trip plan.
As far as the RNC, you can read all about it here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-to-cleveland/
10-21-2020, 10:08 PM
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I guess from inside the bubble of Columbus, Ohio anyone using mass transit is a "rail enthusiast"
Also "traveling for leisure" isn't some kind of exclusive activity for the jet-set. That's why you occasionally see airfares for less than $50 between major cities. For a lot of people when you add up airfare, hotel/AirBnb/entertainment, yes the burden of paying 20X what a rail trip from the airport to downtown costs using rideshare would indeed make or break a trip plan.
As far as the RNC, you can read all about it here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-to-cleveland/
I'm not saying anyone that anyone that uses mass transit is an enthusiast. I'm just saying anyone that writes about it as much as I've seen you do is a rail enthusiast compared to the general population. It's not a bad thing, I just think you're overestimating how much the average person cares about it when visiting a city.
Sure, there are flights less than $50 but you know those are not the norm and certainly not what the average person spends on a flight. So you're arguing that someone can afford a flight, lodging, entertainment, food, etc... but having to pay for an Uber ride will make them reconsider their travel plans? I'm talking like a $30 Uber, which is how much some spend on a meal. If one is so burdened financially by this, then they should not be considering travelling in the first place, sorry
Also, The RNC 2012 was held in Tampa, which I don't believe has light rail at all, so I don't see the point.
10-21-2020, 11:17 PM
Location: La Jolla
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Yes, that is exactly what I'm arguing and I've cancelled plans plenty of times for exactly this reason. I just returned from a trip to Los Angeles last week which was planned around the fact that the AirBnb was a mile from a Metro rail station.
I can find roundtrip airfare to Seattle for less than $200 usually. I like staying in expensive parts of town when I visit. If there wasn't a Link train at the airport and I was stuck taking rideshare everywhere, I might not be able afford the kind of accommodations I want which would cause me to cancel the whole trip. So its not about "not being able to afford travel" its about doing it the way I want. When I travel to Pittsburgh taking their great Airport Flyer service means paying $2.75 to get downtown as opposed to paying $40-50. Its a big deal.
Also, Cleveland got the RNC in 2016 when Columbus thought they were a contender (because of having better mass transit). So that is the point there, Tampa 2012 is complete non-sequitur.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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