11-14-2019, 04:31 PM
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Used it for the first time in many years last week and it looks like it did 30 or 40 years ago. It reminds me of the airport terminal Nashville tore down in the late 1980's. When you compare similar size cities airports like Charlotte and Nashville, why is CMH lagging so far behind?
On the hand, Eagles Villa Pizza in New Albany was outstanding. I would go with the chicken-bacon-bbq pizza every time.
11-14-2019, 08:23 PM
Location: Columbus, OH
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Yeah, the CMH airport is about as depressing an airport as I’ve ever been to. And they just finished an expensive renovation about 2 years ago. Current plans call for a $2B new terminal to be added in about 10 years.
11-15-2019, 12:30 PM
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Yeah, the CMH airport is about as depressing an airport as I’ve ever been to. And they just finished an expensive renovation about 2 years ago. Current plans call for a $2B new terminal to be added in about 10 years.
Columbus gets 42 million visitors a year and the convention business is booming.
11-15-2019, 03:26 PM
Location: NKY's Campbell Co.
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Columbus gets 42 million visitors a year and the convention business is booming.
Agreed. Columbus also services major sporting events such as The Memorial Tournament, major OSU sporting events including out-of-conference home games and NCAA basketball tournament rounds, Arnold Classic (as mentioned), numerous HQs and international corporate ops / R&D centers, as well as the OSU student body itself.
However, my chief concern is the airport won't get replaced any time soon and the final price tag will probably be double or triple the current number by the time they are completed. It is sorely needed but I really do wonder how they are going to pay for it.
On a side note, Columbus does serve as a small focus city for Southwest, I believe.
The two airports compared are not fair comparisons. CLT won the lottery with airline consolidations since the 1980s. Those days are likely over due to the lack of anyone else on a legacy level to merge with. ULCC are more likely to merge but they don't have the legacy carriers (or even Southwest's) traditional route model. So CMH ever being a hub outside of its time serving America West in the late 80's and 90's, is long past. The best it can hope for with a new terminal is service to London or Paris (Indy has a Delta CDG route now) or even possibly Tokyo (due to Honda, but most probably just connect in DTW anyways). Whenever the next downturn to impact the airlines hits, expect even an existing airport (likely an American or United hub or two) to lose its status.
Nashville's airport isn't much better and probably is a slightly fairer comparison, but unlike Columbus, they have begun a major terminal rebuild. Columbus' recent remodel will look like a gloss over once BNA's new terminal is complete. BNA also lost out on the hub consolidation wars (as did PIT and CVG) when American pulled out in the 90's but have a larger concentration of Southwest flights than Columbus.
If anyone wants to talk sad airports, go to Memphis, Cleveland or St. Louis. Or fly to tiny airports like Evansville, IN, or Newburgh, NY.
As someone who flew every week out of CMH for 2.5 years and then out of CVG for 1.5, CVG does win the airport comparison due to flight offerings, even with just being a Delta focus city now. But even what was once T3 at CVG will need renovations. Concourse B has seen new life due to Delta bumping up frequency and seat capacity on certain routes and American occupying overflow gates due to rotating ramp work for the Concourse A gates. The only thing CMH had going for it was United had more flights with first class, even if they were majority 2-class Express planes. Fares were pretty much the same between the two, possibly even a little lower at CVG versus Columbus due to Allegiant and Frontier and now Southwest.
I really do hope that CMH gets its new terminal. As the convention center finishes and attracts more business, a central concourse (vs. 3 separated / detached secure wings) would be a huge improvement (think Austin or Raleigh-Durham). But it needs to be done sooner (than 10 years) rather than later.
11-15-2019, 04:28 PM
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Nashville's airport already leaves CMH in the dust and that is before the $billion$ being spent on it right now. It makes CMH airport look like Chattanooga's. Not every airport needs to be post-modern-futuristic like DTW but nice airports are a real plus for a city.
11-15-2019, 08:11 PM
Location: Cleveland and Columbus OH
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If anyone wants to talk sad airports, go to Memphis, Cleveland or St. Louis. Or fly to tiny airports like Evansville, IN, or Newburgh, NY.
Hopkins is considerably better than CMH.
11-15-2019, 09:03 PM
Location: San Diego CA
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Wow. I used to live in Columbus That's kind of harsh. It's a medium size airport that's been enlarged and updated several times over the years. Looking back and now dealing with LAX and SFO CMH seems a lot less congested and easier to get in and out of.
11-16-2019, 12:15 PM
Location: La Jolla
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Wow. I used to live in Columbus That's kind of harsh. It's a medium size airport that's been enlarged and updated several times over the years. Looking back and now dealing with LAX and SFO CMH seems a lot less congested and easier to get in and out of.
You could say the same thing about any regional airfield in the country.
11-16-2019, 02:17 PM
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Used it for the first time in many years last week and it looks like it did 30 or 40 years ago. It reminds me of the airport terminal Nashville tore down in the late 1980's. When you compare similar size cities airports like Charlotte and Nashville, why is CMH lagging so far behind?
On the hand, Eagles Villa Pizza in New Albany was outstanding. I would go with the chicken-bacon-bbq pizza every time.
I mean, I don't get the point of this thread. Just from a factual standpoint, it can't possibly look the same as it did in the 1970s and 1980s. It's been remodeled/updated many times since then. Now, if you're talking about overall size, that hasn't changed as much. It's not a hub and it's not a big regional airport. The talk of it being depressing or something is a little ridiculous. Maybe nothing to write home about in terms of design, but it's clean, well-lit and easy to navigate and it has one of the easiest WIFIs to use of any airport I've been to. There's nothing really wrong with it and gets the job done. As for "lagging behind", there has not been the traffic needed for something larger and more extravagant until more recently. Construction on the new terminal should begin in a few years, after completion of the currently-under-construction new parking garage that is needed first.
11-16-2019, 03:33 PM
Location: Ohio
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Used it for the first time in many years last week and it looks like it did 30 or 40 years ago.
The notion that CMH has been stagnant for the last 3-4 decades is ridiculous.
CMH has 3 concourses now. I remember very distinctly when it had just one concourse in the 1970s. Wikipedia says Concourse B was added in 1979 and Concourse C was added in 1996 and expanded in 2002. A new control tower opened in 2004. According to the same article "Columbus began its Terminal Modernization Program in late 2012, which included new terrazzo flooring throughout the airport, new ceilings, new restrooms, more TSA security lanes, and new LED lighting. Construction started on Concourse A in late 2012 and was completed throughout the terminal in early 2016."
In addition, the airport spent $140M to move the south runway, starting in 2013.
I think the airport is just fine. If I had to criticize anything, I would say that Terminal C could use more seating.
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People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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