IT Salaries trending down? (game, sounds, Office, working)
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Looking at the jobs in my inbox, seems like IT salaries are trending down, which is hard to believe given the so called labor shortage and inflation. Anyone else notice the same?
Looking at the jobs in my inbox, seems like IT salaries are trending down, which is hard to believe given the so called labor shortage and inflation. Anyone else notice the same?
Business leaders are making an all-out effort to drive down tech salaries. That's why there's so many layoffs in tech.
I did read an article on line within the past week or two, possibly on cnn.com, that detailed how the IT personnel who were terminated from tech firms such as Amazon, Salesforce, Twitter, etc. are now being solicited by IT contracting firms to perform basically the same work at their old places of employment for half the pay, no benefits, and no employment security.
I don't think most IT jobs THAT well to begin with!
Not since everything was virtualized and moved 'to the cloud' (read off shore where the job is done for peanuts)I got RIFed at the right time and was able to retire
I did read an article on line within the past week or two, possibly on cnn.com, that detailed how the IT personnel who were terminated from tech firms such as Amazon, Salesforce, Twitter, etc. are now being solicited by IT contracting firms to perform basically the same work at their old places of employment for half the pay, no benefits, and no employment security.
Not every job, even in IT can be done remotely or on cloud.
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Originally Posted by MidValleyDad
Not since everything was virtualized and moved 'to the cloud' (read off shore where the job is done for peanuts)I got RIFed at the right time and was able to retire
These are examples of outsourcing which has been happening way before pandemic and recession.
That actually happened at a previous job but the main reason was office politics and one of the Sr. Partners at the accounting firm has an axe to grind with my director and manager though the angle they used was "cost savings" for same level of service and support.
The entire IT was let go and a local MSP took over the job. I guess I was the only one the MSP wanted to retain but only because the actual company really liked me and "influenced" them to offer me a job.
What they were paying for someone at my level was almost half of what I was making. They had benefits and all but doubtful it was as good. They were only willing to match my salary so they could use me for a smoother transition and since they wouldn't be able to reduce my pay, they would simply find an excuse to let me go. I had enough common sense to "sense" this very likely scenario so I passed on it.
Besides, after 2 decades in the career, an MSP would not be a right place. They are OK for someone fresh in the IT field but anyone with decent skills and experience would likely to be better off working for an actual company instead of a "sweat shop" MSP, known to pay peanuts for ton of work you are expected to do.
To me, an MSP is not much different than an Indian IT contractor where employees are paid cr@p but company itself makes very good money. An American MSP is the same, difference, they are on US soil, employing US workers and paying comparably horrible wages.
Would you pay $20 for a very good, reliable screw driver Made in US if you didn't think it offered that much value/use to you or, go for an OK but inferior one Made in China and sold at Walmart for $4.99 or, go for a cr@p quality one sold at HFT for $1.99 instead?
That is basically my take on a worker (screw driver) and most people (companies) having different assessment of the value of such an item represents in their perspective. At the end of the day, everyone is trying to save money (necessity or greed) and thinking about #1 (themselves).
Isn't this the main reason why the company loyalty totally died off in the last 20+ years in the US, and only the fools are still giving 2-weeks notice?
I am sure there are still decent places where employees are valued but they are probably becoming more of an exception.
Not every job, even in IT can be done remotely or on cloud.
Besides, after 2 decades in the career, an MSP would not be a right place. They are OK for someone fresh in the IT field but anyone with decent skills and experience would likely to be better off working for an actual company instead of a "sweat shop" MSP, known to pay peanuts for ton of work you are expected to do.
The quality of their work is also often strained by the fact that they are supporting an ever-expanding number of clients, and may not necessarily be growing their tech team to match. Plus the employee churn means that documentation is a mess and, in turn, drags out support requests. "Sweat shop" is a very apt description.
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We are relatively small with only about 130 in IT, but we have been expanding, adding people, and we all just got two raises, 6% cost of living an 0-4.5% performance based. We have also hired to replace retirements. Being a public agency our tech pay is not like Amazon or Microsoft, at about 90k-230k, and the work would probably be boring to the
social media, app and game developers.
We are relatively small with only about 130 in IT, but we have been expanding, adding people, and we all just got two raises, 6% cost of living an 0-4.5% performance based. We have also hired to replace retirements. Being a public agency our tech pay is not like Amazon or Microsoft, at about 90k-230k, and the work would probably be boring to the
social media, app and game developers.
$90k-230k is what I'd expect (and generally what I see) for entry level at a non-big-tech company for a tech job. Maybe a little higher due to COL increases these past few years. Your company doesn't seem out of range....
Last edited by Oldgorilla; 04-24-2023 at 05:42 PM..
Being a public agency our tech pay is not like Amazon or Microsoft, at about 90k-230k, and the work would probably be boring to the social media, app and game developers.
OK, that is a very high range if one can even call that a range! Is it covering all the positions at your company or only the ones you know of?
Because, from what I have seen, most non-niche, IT jobs pay under $100K. If you are actually talking about support positions, it is even much lower. Even most entry level Sys Admin or developer jobs weren't paying anywhere near $90K.
Especially since the recession, hardly any company was giving a decent raise while making everyone wear multiple hats so, I am curious to hear what positions and companies are paying $200K+?
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