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NJGoat - good post and very similar to my thoughts on this whole mess
also part of the issue with a propaganda run regime .... within that nation there is no awareness of what is really outside their borders .... it would be interesting to hear exactly what their government is telling them what is going on at this time
in fact, that could be a way out if anyone was willing to cooperate with them .... maybe China plays peacebroker .... NK sells it that they ramped up against the evil outside threats and once those threats backed off there was no need for further action as their interests were perserved
if this thing gets hot or even ramps up too much more I only see it ending in regime change with the main question being how many lives will be lost on both sides and if NK starts it I wouldn't be shocked to see China start pulling some strings to get a friendly group in there that will oppose SK, but be smart enough to not destabilize the whole area and put China at risk
there is no doubt they can do some serious damage to Seoul and there is no doubt that without China demanding otherwise SK and her allies can level NK .... as always the tricky part is "then what" .... even with the thought of unification there are generations that know nothing more than how evil and awful anything outside their borders are, will be hard to foster trust especially after starting a conflict (in their view) and throwing out their beloved leader ... there is sure to be no instant prosperity to get the wagon going, so who fills the void for the poor, angry, fearful population
the regime needs to have a poltergeist to protect their people from, they need to flare up and show a nationalistic pride and power - make their people feel like they are really part of a cause - otherwise their sacrifice is worthless and there is no scapegoat for their condition
this time they may have overstepped a little bit in doing so
"Between 1995 and 2008, the United States provided North Korea with over $1.3 billion in assistance: just over 50% for food aid and about 40% for energy assistance. Since early 2009, the United States has provided virtually no aid to North Korea."
We are seeing the consequences of engaging in a war and not carrying it out to an unconditional surrender.
The Korean war of the 1950's was so PC they didn't even call it a war. ( it was called a " United Nations Police Action)
We should have wiped out North Korea and allowed General Douglas Mac Arthur to execute his plan.
We didn't and North Korea has been a problem for 60 years.
MacArthur had a much higher approval rating at the time of his firing than Truman had !
This of course ignores the fact that the idea of using nuclear weapons was not solely MacArthurs and the idea was even tested. It was determined at the time that the available atomic bombs were simply not suitable for use in Korea for attacking military formations. See "Operation Hudson Harbor". This also ignores the larger geo-political realities of what would have been the response of an atomic attack on NK and China by the Soviets. By this time the Soviets possessed an atomic bomb themselves and still had a massive army in Europe staring at West Germany and France.
The US was able to leverage the nuclear threat to gain the armistice with NK and China. However, while the idea was given serious consideration, it would have been a monumental decision with unknown consequences geo-politically. MacArthur still thought he was fighting WW2.
Remember that treed cutting incident ?
The capture of a US Navy ship?
short memory ?
Your memory seems to be a little short as well....
"We started this fight in the first place in the hope that Communist would be destroyed."
Syngman Rhee's comments in the August 1954 edition of U.S. News & World Report
There is substantial evidence the Korean War was instigated by the US, not North Korea.
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Didn't say a thing about sustained fight.
Then what would be the point?
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They do have the wherewithal to turn Seoul into rubble and move across the border for a time, how long? Who knows?
Seriously? They could probably operate at medium intensity for 2 weeks.
But again, what would be the point?
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Remember, there is something on the order of 1.2 million in their army plus a couple million reservists. Would they all fight? Who knows, maybe if the option is fight or get shot by your own.
That's of no concern if they have no food and no ammunition or fuel.
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According to various news sources.... But all the military and the nuclear weapons program,...
What nukes?
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That little nutcase DOES have limited nukes that are capable of being launched....
Says who?
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Oh, and it would also be curtains for Asia’s thriving economy.
Not so....the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, et al are right their to pick up the slack. The loss of South Korea would be a minor blip forgotten in less than 30 days.
His choice of US cities to bomb is rather odd..DC, LA and "Austin Tx" ?
Why not NYC or Boston or San Francisco which are all much bigger and have more national influence.
Or even bigger cities in Texas like Houston or Dallas.
First thing I thought when I read that..Gee maybe he doesn't like live music since that is what Austin is known for.
Remember that treed cutting incident ?
The capture of a US Navy ship?
short memory ?
thats an interesting way of looking at it. they havent done anything but because we chose to keep about 30k soldiers there; its their fault.
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