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As mentioned upthread, this particular case happened in a public place, not on private property, involving a person who is a in an industry that is in the public eye. Anyone who walks into a casino should be aware that these places are just about the most electronically monitored places on earth, there is nothing that a person does in a casino that isn't being monitored in some way.
More concerning (to me) is the government's warrantless use of these monitoring devices, but that is another thread.
And let's get this straight, this type of violence isn't a mistake or accident. This isn't someone who bumped into another person, knocking them down. It was a deliberate attack on a much smaller person. Any employer should be concerned about having a person in their employ who has exhibited the willingness to do this. There are plenty of people whose jobs would allow them to come into contact with this man who are not players and not capable of defending themselves against such an attack, and there is liability involved when there is public knowledge of this.
I wouldn't say that is accurate, and just because the NOW is advocating for Goodell to step down or be fired, that does not mean that they were not as concerned by the lack of action by the state. It is a separate, but related, issue. NOW is also using this public issue to highlight the constant and pervasive victim blaming (she stayed with him, if she doesn't care, why should I? She must have done something to deserve it, look, she lunged at him, he was protecting himself. She should have walked away.) that goes on with regards to domestic violence and other abuses of women. It always the woman's fault. How hard is it TO NOT HIT ANOTHER PERSON?
In regards to Goodell making the league money, it's laughable to think that any reasonably qualified person wouldn't have done at least as well. When the NFL is still considered to be a not for profit, going back to 1966, and takes in almost $10 Billion dollars a year, and does not pay federal taxes, it is impossible for the league to not make money. Do you think that the owners want this kind of publicity that might remind the public and the goverment that they're a not for profit and don't pay federal taxes? What about the anti-trust agreement? I suspect Goodell is a dead man walking now. He's mishandled this case from the start, and at every turn. He wanted to sweep it all under the rug, and was so lenient at the same time that a player was suspended 1 year for a second positive test for marijuana, had he consulted with professionals who deal with domestic violence to get their opinion not only for a punishment, but to put in place a treatment program for all players charged with DV. Instead, he tried to sweep it under the rug, the Ravens tried to sweep it under the rug, Harbaugh tried to tell us that Rice is a great guy. I have news for you John, great guys don't do that.
Baloney.
This trend in media lynching is a cancer attacking our most fundamental principles of freedom. It is certainly your prerogative to feed the problem rather than be part of a solution. But, let's get this straight, that's what you are doing.
When I say this is a private matter, I'm talking about with respect to the Ravens and the NFL. If the DA has grounds and sufficient evidence to charge this man with a crime, so be it. Until and unless he is convicted, it is not the business of his or any employer.......and is least of all yours.
It's not surprising to me that an NFL player acted like a boor. That's frankly sort of par for the course these days. It's not surprising that rich celebrities get more leeway than ordinary people, either. That's probably always been the case.
What is surprising to me is what this says about the rest of us as a society. It would appear that we have not made as much progress in equality, decency, and human rights as we may have wished. We have an organization run by scores of well-educated, professional adults who were willing to look the other way as long as they could for the sake of their financial convenience. We have people on here and all around, presumably mostly adults, who excuse this kind of behavior and say it's just a "private matter." In doing so, they are expressing de facto support for domestic violence. And that is exactly how domestic violence was always tolerated and supported throughout the ages: "oh, he's beating his wife. Never mind, it's just a private matter..."
I would have hoped that we as a society could be further along than that in the 21st century, where ostracizing a creep who does this to someone he supposedly cares for is a given.
This trend in media lynching is a cancer attacking our most fundamental principles of freedom. It is certainly your prerogative to feed the problem rather than be part of a solution. But, let's get this straight, that's what you are doing.
When I say this is a private matter, I'm talking about with respect to the Ravens and the NFL. If the DA has grounds and sufficient evidence to charge this man with a crime, so be it. Until and unless he is convicted, it is not the business of his or any employer.......and is least of all yours.
So you're saying it's a private matter involving the Ravens and the NFL? In that case, you're saying it is their business to take action on this if they see fit. But then later, you're saying it isn't their business. So which is it?
So you're saying it's a private matter, but you welcome the DA to charge him with a crime if it has occurred? Then how is that a private matter? If you say a DA has a right to poke into this, then that is the very definition of a public matter in the eyes of the criminal justice system. So which is it?
Was hearing on the news the last couple of days - where they interviewed other NFL wives or ex-wives. they said that a woman married to an NFL football player who abuses them - she chooses to put up with it because she is afraid to confront the abuser and deal with the real consequences. as it will pose a danger to her life, health and ability to live on her own, because he will do what typical abusers do - threaten and carry out those threats and screw up her financial ability to live on her own. so rather than deal with that, they will put up with it AND tell the world to not interfere with her spouse.
of course, these are things that abused wives put up with when they do leave their criminal thug spouses, but it seems from these interviews, its common, so they take it.
This trend in media lynching is a cancer attacking our most fundamental principles of freedom. It is certainly your prerogative to feed the problem rather than be part of a solution. But, let's get this straight, that's what you are doing.
When I say this is a private matter, I'm talking about with respect to the Ravens and the NFL. If the DA has grounds and sufficient evidence to charge this man with a crime, so be it. Until and unless he is convicted, it is not the business of his or any employer.......and is least of all yours.
Nope. Almost any employer can fire you for misconduct whether or not charges are brought. It's called an employment agreement/contract. People need to understand what fundamental rights are. One of your fundamental rights is not to retain employment simply because law enforcement/courts don't pursue a case.
Let's put it this way: if Rice's rights are being violated, he will win a civil suit v. the NFL for economic damages suffered as a result of his suspension. Do you think he'll win that case? Do you think he'll even bring one in the next 5 years that wouldn't be completely tossed right away?
This trend in media lynching is a cancer attacking our most fundamental principles of freedom. It is certainly your prerogative to feed the problem rather than be part of a solution. But, let's get this straight, that's what you are doing.
When I say this is a private matter, I'm talking about with respect to the Ravens and the NFL. If the DA has grounds and sufficient evidence to charge this man with a crime, so be it. Until and unless he is convicted, it is not the business of his or any employer.......and is least of all yours.
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Originally Posted by ambient
So you're saying it's a private matter involving the Ravens and the NFL? In that case, you're saying it is their business to take action on this if they see fit. But then later, you're saying it isn't their business. So which is it?
So you're saying it's a private matter, but you welcome the DA to charge him with a crime if it has occurred? Then how is that a private matter? If you say a DA has a right to poke into this, then that is the very definition of a public matter in the eyes of the criminal justice system. So which is it?
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Originally Posted by Chicago76
Nope. Almost any employer can fire you for misconduct whether or not charges are brought. It's called an employment agreement/contract. People need to understand what fundamental rights are. One of your fundamental rights is not to retain employment simply because law enforcement/courts don't pursue a case.
Let's put it this way: if Rice's rights are being violated, he will win a civil suit v. the NFL for economic damages suffered as a result of his suspension. Do you think he'll win that case? Do you think he'll even bring one in the next 5 years that wouldn't be completely tossed right away?
What I understand that s/he is saying is that there are a number of events that have occured where people were fired because of incidents which were leaked to the media caused a public outrage, and that is alarming them. Those who have an opinion of what should happen to Ray Rice on this particular matter based on the video are making it more likely that this kind of thing will continue, or escalate.
I understand that point of view, and frankly, there is cause for concern. There is the brave new world reality that everywhere one goes now, that there will be cameras, everyone now has a cell phone, and everyone can film anything that happens. Almost everywhere one goes, there will be security cameras, red light cameras, etc..
There is the brave new world reality that everywhere one goes now, that there will be cameras, everyone now has a cell phone, and everyone can film anything that happens. Almost everywhere one goes, there will be security cameras, red light cameras, etc..
Just don't ever do anything wrong and you'll be just fine.
We seem to live in a culture where the burden of proof is almost always on the victimized woman, MORE so if it involves a celebrity or professional athlete.
She must be a gold digger. She's lying. He was only 'defending' himself. Why didn't she leave. So on and annoyingly so forth.
I like the way the article talks about the ignorant sports fans cheering for these monsters that abuse and degrade women.
We as a nation certainly have no moral grounds to criticize how women are treated in other countries, and we need to clean up our own houses.
Oh, I don't know. We don't go around stoning and beheading women for "adultery" or throwing acid in their faces or revenge killing for not going along with arranged marriages like Muslims do so I'd say, yeah, we're on a slightly higher moral ground.
Nope. Almost any employer can fire you for misconduct whether or not charges are brought. It's called an employment agreement/contract. People need to understand what fundamental rights are. One of your fundamental rights is not to retain employment simply because law enforcement/courts don't pursue a case.
Let's put it this way: if Rice's rights are being violated, he will win a civil suit v. the NFL for economic damages suffered as a result of his suspension. Do you think he'll win that case? Do you think he'll even bring one in the next 5 years that wouldn't be completely tossed right away?
You can say nope to your hearts content and it doesn't change a thing. I'm talking about where we need to be....not where we have degenerated to in 2014.
But, again, it is your prerogative to be part of the problem.
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