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Old 04-02-2015, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Corona del Mar, CA - Coronado, CA
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People and animals other than Large Farming Corporations rely on that water supply as well, but listening to these farming thugs cry you get the sense that the public water supply actually belongs to them, and that mean old President Obama is keeping it from them as some sort of punishment.

The source of all this is not President Obama or the Federal Government, rather it is because not enough precipitation is falling from the sky to support the amount of water the farmers need to run their operations at full blast while not risking turning the entire water supply into a great salt lake.
You of course did not read the link from the House.

The water is not going to "people and animals" it is being flushed out to sea and has been going on for 8 years now because of a federal judge ruling that the Delta smelt, an insignificant bait fish, has more rights than people and other animals.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Desalination plants would seem to be CA's only answer to their problem. However, the stupid environmentalists stomp around and pout like children, upset that a rare sea bacteria might be harmed in the process, and they get their way. People are running out of water, agriculture is at risk of dying, and tons of jobs are at stake... but we gotta protect the sea life!!! Bozos.
Or they may be looking at Australia as a cautionary tale--Australia invested billions in desalination infrastructure during their drought and then the drought broke. Now the equipment is underutilized and the return on investment was minimal. The real bozos are the people who think that millions of people can live in the desert and continue plundering resources.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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The environmentalists run CA and won't let them build desalination plants along the coast. This is why I do not feel sorry for them and the Feds should never spend a cent for them to get more water.

This year my yard is still full of debris from my trees because we have had so much rain, the ground is too soggy to get out there and clean it up. Eat your hearts out Californians.
Yeah, you'll your own heart as food prices skyrocket. Then you'll be talking out the other side of your mouth. You think because you have water that a water shortage in California doesn't affect you?

Think again.

Who is going to feel sorry for you when a head of lettuce costs you $10? Then lets see who laughs.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Any Schadenfreude out there today? Schadenfreude - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Hialeah, Florida
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You of course did not read the link from the House.

The water is not going to "people and animals" it is being flushed out to sea and has been going on for 8 years now because of a federal judge ruling that the Delta smelt, an insignificant bait fish, has more rights than people and other animals.
The science people don't seem to think it is an insignificant bait fish as you would have us believe, rather they say with a high amount of certainty that the entire ecosystem depends on the survival of that insignificant fish. The water flows out to prevent a Salton sea scenario.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:21 AM
 
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Chances are, all of you are eating some food produced in California. Water is the new gasoline except that you can't simply start eating less, you will just pay more.

And more you will pay. Not a little bit, a lot more. You scream when the price of gas goes up a buck? Wait until California decides it needs money to buy water. California isn't going to pay for it, you are.

The politics in California suck but this is still the United States, in case some have forgotten and small item.

Where else is all the food going to be grown, New Hampshire? See the weather there or the entire east coast?

You think if California food producers start raising their price by large amounts that all the other food producing countries aren't going to do the same and that they will look at you and feel obligated to help you out? Which countries would that be?

How about the countries that would like nothing more than to buy access to immigration in consideration for lower food prices?

As usual, shortsighted thinking leads many to go down the road of saying it is someone else's problem. No, it is your problem too.

If this gets worse, that plate of food you ate this morning will cost you three and four times as much if not more. Get ready.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Or they may be looking at Australia as a cautionary tale--Australia invested billions in desalination infrastructure during their drought and then the drought broke. Now the equipment is underutilized and the return on investment was minimal. The real bozos are the people who think that millions of people can live in the desert and continue plundering resources.
Most of CA is not even a desert. Droughts can affect anywhere in the continental USA. Not utilizing resources like the Pacific Ocean is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as those who protest desalination plants for fear a few sea creatures might be harmed in the process.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:22 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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So, I'm reading about the drought in California:

"Brown announced he had signed an executive order requiring the State Water Resources Control Board to implement measures in cities and towns to cut the state's overall water usage by 25 percent compared with 2013 levels. The move will affect residents, businesses, farmers and other users."

My Way News - California governor orders mandatory water restrictions

My state (Tennessee) gets a lot of rain. Why don't states like mine go in the water business, that is, why don't they collect rain and sell it to California?
I wonder how many people, who don't live here in the West, actually know how bad things are. And its been bad. Here in the cow counties in NV, our ag is toast. Nothing, of any consequence, will be growing , this year. That hits the meat raisers , hard, too. Ag is our biggest economic development, that and mining. We are seeing a mass exodus of agriculture out of here. Oh, the big operations are subsidized. They can just ride it out. But there are hundreds of smaller operations that are going down. Permanently.

For a regular Joe, eating beef is becoming a luxury. A very expensive one. I'm looking to hunting to help keep my freezer stocked. The beef critter we are raising is still 10 months, or better, away from prime butcher weight. We just put up a hog and have lots of chicken and rabbit, but beef is slim on the menu. If you're dependent on Wal Mart, for all your food, around here, your budget is taking a severe hit. No water, no food. Pretty simple.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:25 AM
 
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There is a lot of California farming history I don't understand. For instance, much of California appears to be desert like... why is there so much farming there. The lost jobs California would lose from farming..how much of that is jobs that would be taken from legal workers?

It appears to me that farming needs to go back to the smaller family farmers who do farm, but don't impact such a large area at time...spread it out. It would possibly be jobs back to Americans and a more eco-friendly choice. There are regions of the US that have more naturally occurring above ground fresh water that wouldn't be depleting an underground source.
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Old 04-02-2015, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Retired
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I read someplace that 10% of California's water is used to grow almonds. Which if true, we may have to import almonds rather than grown them in California. Why does Arizona grow cotton? Some hard decisions need to be made.
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