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Originally Posted by ocnjgirl
It didn't actually cause your policy to go up, it caused your insurance company to have to stop selling you the policy you had that was not ACA compliant. I had the same thing, my own policy used to be $399 a month now it's $617, but it is a much better policy. To me everyone in a first world country should have access to insurance and health care. To me that is one of the things that makes a country "first world". Yes, it hurts, the increase, but again we would both have more options if the Repubs had allowed the public option that Obama wanted.
Then why can't we have REAL national healthcare?
"First world" countries do not charge their citizens for healthcare. The average German, Frenchman, etc does not pay much more in regular taxes than the average American. They merely pay something like a $5 copayment for treatment - even if that treatment includes expensive items like Chemotherapy.
"First world" countries protect their citizens and dont bilk them at any possible opportunity. Let's say I need my little paycheck to feed and house my family, and really dont have any left over to purchase health insurance for myself - how does that penalty help provide my family healthcare?
There are no children, and we earn just a tiny bit too much to qualify for Medicaid. What is that ever increasing penalty going to do for us?
The plan concerns me - a relatively liberal Democrat - because aside from the tax penalty, this is the first time in American History that I know of that working-class citizens are forced by law to purchase a product from a PRIVATE company. I cant believe that is NOT a concern to every citizen.
What's next on this list of things we are obligated by law to buy from private vendors, whether we can really afford it or not??
When the tally was last taken by WHO in 2000, the United States of America ranked 37th in the world for Healthcare. That indicates that 36 countries had better systems and offered better services. It's a shame WHO stopped taking the tally. It would be interesting to see if Obamacare has improved the quality of healthcare or not overall.
We should have a REAL national healthcare system covered by the taxes we already pay, just like any "first world" country has already had for some time, IMHO.
Cutting huge numbers of people off their health insurance is a good idea as most of those people are going to take it out on the Republicans. That is one of the Better Ideas the Republicans have ever had to rapidly reduce their political power. Keep it up guys.
Obamacare has been the gift that keeps giving for the Republicans. In March 2010 when signed into law, Democrats controlled WH, Sen, and House. In Nov. 2010, the GOP took back control of the House. In 2014 the GOP took back the Sen, and a major campaign ad theme was replaying videos of Senate Democrats who had repeated Obama's "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan" line. Democrats even held a 26-24 majority of governorships in March 2010. GOP now holds 31, Democrats 18.
The only Democrat not victimized by Obamacare has been Pres. Obama himself, and he won in 2012 only because of his mastery of identity politics. Obama lost the white vote by 59% in 2012, but won the non-white vote by 80% and thus was able to keep his job.
"First world" countries do not charge their citizens for healthcare. The average German, Frenchman, etc does not pay much more in regular taxes than the average American. They merely pay something like a $5 copayment for treatment - even if that treatment includes expensive items like Chemotherapy.
"First world" countries protect their citizens and dont bilk them at any possible opportunity. Let's say I need my little paycheck to feed and house my family, and really dont have any left over to purchase health insurance for myself - how does that penalty help provide my family healthcare?
There are no children, and we earn just a tiny bit too much to qualify for Medicaid. What is that ever increasing penalty going to do for us?
The plan concerns me - a relatively liberal Democrat - because aside from the tax penalty, this is the first time in American History that I know of that working-class citizens are forced by law to purchase a product from a PRIVATE company. I cant believe that is NOT a concern to every citizen.
What's next on this list of things we are obligated by law to buy from private vendors, whether we can really afford it or not??
When the tally was last taken by WHO in 2000, the United States of America ranked 37th in the world for Healthcare. That indicates that 36 countries had better systems and offered better services. It's a shame WHO stopped taking the tally. It would be interesting to see if Obamacare has improved the quality of healthcare or not overall.
We should have a REAL national healthcare system covered by the taxes we already pay, just like any "first world" country has already had for some time, IMHO.
Don't forget the cash boon handed to drug companies!
I've noticed since the ACA went into law a drop in quality of services, a drop in experienced doctors who either refused to take those insured under ACA companies or outright quit (retired) practicing medicine.
Case in point, my primary doctor "retired" at the end of last year. I talked with him before he retired and asked him why he was going to toss in the towel. He said "I can't practice medicine under the current conditions where I'm TOLD how to do my job by people who have no medical training or any contact with the patients I treat".
He went on to say that what we're going to see is only younger doctors that were trained in the last 5-10 years or so will remain in the healthcare system because they've been trained from the start to find the fastest,cheapest way to get a patient out the door without questioning "the powers that be" instead of what's best for the patient.
When those that champion this abomination called ACA have to fight their insurance company to get meds they need or go through months of misery hearing "try this (cheaper) drug (that doesn't work) instead" which is called Step Therapy or being told "you can't have this or that test due to age" or at a minimum have to wait for months instead of the days it used to take, maybe THEN you'll understand...
It is NOT a "better policy" when your deductible goes from $250/year to $7000/year. It is now insurance that most people will never get to use unless they are in a catastophe.
Why are so many people against subsidized health care? Either way, it's not like an ER asks if people can pay before treating them.
If you remember, one of the selling points of ACA was to stop people from using the ER as a doctor's office.
As for Universal Healthcare? That will only work if a way can be found to avoid the pitfalls found in the other countries that currently have it.
That would take a bi-partisan group of legislators that don't consider the general public as STUPID.
Odds of that happening in our lifetime?
"First world" countries do not charge their citizens for healthcare. The average German, Frenchman, etc does not pay much more in regular taxes than the average American. They merely pay something like a $5 copayment for treatment - even if that treatment includes expensive items like Chemotherapy.
"First world" countries protect their citizens and dont bilk them at any possible opportunity. Let's say I need my little paycheck to feed and house my family, and really dont have any left over to purchase health insurance for myself - how does that penalty help provide my family healthcare?
There are no children, and we earn just a tiny bit too much to qualify for Medicaid. What is that ever increasing penalty going to do for us?
The plan concerns me - a relatively liberal Democrat - because aside from the tax penalty, this is the first time in American History that I know of that working-class citizens are forced by law to purchase a product from a PRIVATE company. I cant believe that is NOT a concern to every citizen.
What's next on this list of things we are obligated by law to buy from private vendors, whether we can really afford it or not??
When the tally was last taken by WHO in 2000, the United States of America ranked 37th in the world for Healthcare. That indicates that 36 countries had better systems and offered better services. It's a shame WHO stopped taking the tally. It would be interesting to see if Obamacare has improved the quality of healthcare or not overall.
We should have a REAL national healthcare system covered by the taxes we already pay, just like any "first world" country has already had for some time, IMHO.
That would be awesome, and is exactly what everyone wanted, except the republicans, who did what they do best, scaring the general public, until there was no support for Universal health care. Vote liberal and in the future maybe we can get it.
Fascinating that people argue for or against "obama care" not because it is a good or bad plan, but because they identify as being democrat or republican.
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