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According to CBC a neighbour stated that the police were trying to batter down his door before the shooting started. A bit extreme for a "bylaw infraction" and alleged cyber bullying. Certainly they could have taken him into custody in a manner that didn't corner him in his own home and have the appearance of a Gestapo raid...
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Norman Walter Raddatz, the man linked to yesterday's shooting death of an Edmonton police officer, had a minimal criminal record, but a lengthy hate-crimes file in relation to the online bullying of a family in the city.
Raddatz, 42, allegedly shot and killed Const. Daniel Woodall, 35, on Monday night.
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Woodall was one of eight officers sent to a west Edmonton home to serve Raddatz with an arrest warrant on a charge of criminal harassment and a bylaw infraction.
Knecht said he couldn’t speak to the possible involvement of the suspect with the Freemen on the Land or “sovereign citizen” movement, but may be able to address that at a press conference slated for 8:30 Tuesday morning. The Freemen on the Land are considered to be anti-police and anti-government, and are labelled by the FBI as a domestic terrorist movement.
According to CBC a neighbour stated that the police were trying to batter down his door before the shooting started. A bit extreme for a "bylaw infraction" and alleged cyber bullying. Certainly they could have taken him into custody in a manner that didn't corner him in his own home and have the appearance of a Gestapo raid...
All good points. If at all possible, arrests of such individuals should not be done at their home as that is where they usually keep their weapons, and are more prone to resist. That aside, it looks like the guy had a pattern of harassing the other family. Apparently, the arrest was not based on a single incident of making a polticially incorrect comment.
In addition, it is entirely possible that the shooter also stated how "hard core" he was and that he would resist any attempt to arrest him. If so, then the police are going be arriving in force. That does not change the fact that they should have both arrived in force, but also arrested him at some other location than his home.
I'm fairly certain that initially the police stated that they went there not expecting anything to happen. So far there's no mention of whether they tried to talk with him first, and comments by the mayor and police chief suggest that they had no knowledge of his owning guns. As far as I know a source has not been given for the "Freedmen" connection. And according to some unidentified source Raddatz was pissed drunk. I would love to see the evidence for the "hate crime," which I suspect the police will never make public.
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All good points. If at all possible, arrests of such individuals should not be done at their home as that is where they usually keep their weapons, and are more prone to resist. That aside, it looks like the guy had a pattern of harassing the other family. Apparently, the arrest was not based on a single incident of making a polticially incorrect comment.
In addition, it is entirely possible that the shooter also stated how "hard core" he was and that he would resist any attempt to arrest him. If so, then the police are going be arriving in force. That does not change the fact that they should have both arrived in force, but also arrested him at some other location than his home.
Well, well... still no confirmation that Raddatz was in any way involved with Freemen, and the mainstream media has quietly stopped referring to a possible link, but that hasn't stopped some lefties from stating that he was as though it's indisputable fact:
It's interesting how in Canada people who value individual freedoms, liberties, and property rights can immediately be pigeon-holed into being racists.
I also get the impression that the EPS knows they really botched this one and could probably have dealt with Raddatz in a mutually respectful and non-confrontational manner, so now they really have to spin the story.
Well, well... still no confirmation that Raddatz was in any way involved with Freemen, and the mainstream media has quietly stopped referring to a possible link, but that hasn't stopped some lefties from stating that he was as though it's indisputable fact:
Raddatz was a hard worker who believed in doing things right, said friend Orion Holtby... He planned to retire at 50 and had nearly paid off his home, the 1978 bungalow at 18620 62A Avenue, when [his wife] left in February 2009. Divorce proceedings began the next year and were finalized by April 2012.
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Wagg is puzzled by Knecht’s allegations that police were pursuing a case of “extreme” criminal harassment, the online bullying of an Edmonton family beginning in February 2014. She lived with Raddatz then, but said she “didn’t see anything” like that.
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Raddatz worried about the erosion of free speech and militarization of police, but thought Freemen were just “squatters.” Raddatz’s Facebook page, however, appears to make arguments made by sovereign citizen groups similar to the Freemen.
Another thing... I'm guessing by the name that Raddatz could have family that came to Canada after WW2 fleeing the political troubles of Europe. For somebody like you, jambo101, the concern about intrusiveness of the state and excessive police authority may be the pet peeves of "lunatics" and "right-wing conspiracy theorists," but for many from eastern Europe it was very much a reality that caused much trauma and has had a lasting generational impact even for those who came to Canada. These people came to Canada with the promise of rights and freedoms, and it seems to me that they would be more sensitive to the erosion of said rights and freedoms. It says much about this country when speaking about such erosions of rights can get one pigeon-holed as a "right-wing extremist" (you and your friends over on the Canada board seem to resort to that kind of nonsense a lot). My guess is that he just wanted a return to the Canada that may have brought his family here in the first place. Nothing "extreme" about that. In the end nothing excuses what happened to the police officer, it's tragic what happened, but it was also avoidable had the EPS handled the matter in a less draconian manner.
I know nothing about the man other than when the cops went to his door to question him about his online rhetoric of hate he greeted them with a hail of bullets that killed one of them,His agenda at this point is irrelevant and he got an appropriate response to his actions.,Good riddance to this ahole.
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