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Old 07-23-2015, 10:52 AM
 
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That's the point of his lawsuit as well as my frustration - we have a lot fewer options.

Believe me, I looked high and low for a lower priced plan. This was the best deal I could find under the ACA. Maybe he's dealing with the same frustration, who knows? I frankly don't know what his options are. I just know that under the ACA mine are very limited - and much more expensive.
But it shouldn't take a law suit. If he can't find an insurance plan that doesn't include birth control sue the ****ing insurance companies for not offering a plan without birth control coverage.

Don't sue the government. It makes no sense to sue the government and I absolutely believe he's doing this for political reasons.

Not to mention aren't Republicans supposed to be all about small government and less government intrusion into their lives.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:07 AM
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That's the point of his lawsuit as well as my frustration - we have a lot fewer options.

Believe me, I looked high and low for a lower priced plan. This was the best deal I could find under the ACA. Maybe he's dealing with the same frustration, who knows? I frankly don't know what his options are. I just know that under the ACA mine are very limited - and much more expensive.
No, the point of his lawsuit is because he doesn't like the politics of the Obamacare; he's a politician. While birth control raises insurance plan prices, I doubt it's that big of a factor. It wouldn't make sense for him to find another plan, then he wouldn't have standing to sue.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:08 AM
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Do you realize that this "father" is none other than a Republican state representative from Missouri? You don't suppose he is doing this to becoming the face of religious freedom? Am I too jaded and cynical?
Yes, I thought that was obvious immediately from reading the article. People on this thread seem to think he's an average guy with personal qualms about his insurance.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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Yes, I thought that was obvious immediately from reading the article. People on this thread seem to think he's an average guy with personal qualms about his insurance.
Its the act of a Right WInger trying to control the affairs of his two adult daughters, stupid all the way around
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:14 AM
 
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No, the point of his lawsuit is because he doesn't like the politics of the Obamacare; he's a politician. While birth control raises insurance plan prices, I doubt it's that big of a factor. It wouldn't make sense for him to find another plan, then he wouldn't have standing to sue.
All the data shows that birth control doesn't raise insurance plan prices. It actually lowers them. Insurance providers would much rather provide the very inexpensive birth control options, versus paying the very expensive costs of pregnancy and childbirth, as well as the possible complications. Moreover, many birth control prescriptions are used to treat medical problems, so it's not possible for insurance agencies to simply not cover these medications, they have to code the paperwork so allow the medications to be prescribed for non-birth-control reasons, and that adds a level of complication that adds to the cost of insurance.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:21 AM
 
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Yeah, in the meantime they ALL pay for Viagra. Why is that so much more important then BC??? Cause it's for men?
I have had individual health plans for family members for years.

They have never paid for Viagra.

What is the Federal government doing sticking it's nose into this matter in the first place? Oh yeah, it's Obamacare.
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Old 07-23-2015, 11:22 AM
 
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Its the act of a Right WInger trying to control the affairs of his two adult daughters, stupid all the way around
Then his two adult daughters need to find their own policies (which covers what they want) and pay their own bills.
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Old 07-23-2015, 12:09 PM
 
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I would punch this father in the face repeatedly for seeking a national decision to impose their views on others. If he doesn't want his daughters on his insurance plan, they should go get their own, they are ****ing adults. He can kick them the **** off. It is not the insurance company's job to learn he doesn't want someone else on his plan getting birth control pills. That is like going to a buffet and deciding what other members of your party eat. If you don't want to eat with them, don't go to the buffet with them. When this dumb*** asks the buffet manager to monitor his guests, he needs to be shown to the door.

Let me be absolutely perfectly clear. At a buffet, it is each customers choice what they put on their plate. When those women go to see their doctor, it is their choice what services they ask for. If he doesn't want them on his insurance, he can remove them. He has absolutely zero right to know any of their medical decisions. He may know what they choose to tell him. The standards on doctor and patient confidentiality are extremely clear. This man has NO right to the involvement in his ADULT daughter's lives and I hope they tell him to screw off.

PS. It is idiots like this man that are driving up the cost of providing health insurance which is in turn passed on to the buyers of health insurance. Even when the company pays for it, the eventual cost will be reduced wages. One way or another this idiot is making each of us pay more.
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Old 07-23-2015, 01:11 PM
 
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But they still have to pay for it, even if they don't use it, and therein lies the rub. Nobody wants to fund something they oppose.
I oppose the wars in the Mideast. Alas, I am not allowed to reduce my taxes by the percentage that goes down the tubes in Afghanistan and Iraq. I also oppose any military foreign aid. Do I get to out paying that? I don't want to pay for subsidies for oil companies, etc...

I oppose Viagra. Seems useless to me. Sex should be all about making babies, right? What 70 should be doing that and why should I be picking up part of the tab for that?

We all pay for things as part of collective that we don't believe in.
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Old 07-23-2015, 01:20 PM
 
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Are you telling me that a parent can legally force an adult child to remain on their insurance plan? Are you saying that an adult child cannot buy their own insurance plan if their parent, for some reason, has them on their plan? Please provide a source to support this assertion if this is what you're saying.

I think this could be fixed with about two phone calls. They'd go something like this:

"Parents' insurance plan provider, I am an adult and do not want to be on this insurance plan. Remove me."

"New insurance provider, I'd like to purchase health insurance from you."

By the way, married people under age 26 can still be on their parents' plans.
I believe that the key here is if the adult children are dependents or not.
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