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What common sense laws could have been in place to prevent any of the countries mass murders?
IMO with 300 million guns in America and many nut jobs willing to use them to solve their problems mass murders are just part of the American culture, get used to it..
What common sense laws could have been in place to prevent any of the countries mass murders?
IMO with 300 million guns in America and many nut jobs willing to use them to solve their problems mass murders are just part of the American culture, get used to it..
If everyone owned a gun, mass murderers would have thought twice before trying anything.
If everyone owned a gun, mass murderers would have thought twice before trying anything.
I dont think the solution to the problem is more guns? As it seems to me all these mass shooters pay little heed to the possibility that others may be armed.
Originally Posted by Magritte25 View Post
Why have we not seen this happen in countries with stricter gun laws, better mental healthcare access and better social programs?
That's a braindead comment. Who said the US government should have nukes? It certainly wasn't me.
No, you didn't say that, you said this:
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Originally Posted by hbdwihdh378y9
You want "limits on the types of firearms allowed for private ownership" but not for public ownership? That's crazy. You're creating an imbalance of power between the people and the government, and real mass murders -- with numbers up into the millions -- are always committed by governments. Yet you have your gun control policies pointed in the other direction. You couldn't be more wrong.
To which I said this:
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
yeah! if the US Gov't can have nukes I want one too, can't tolerate that imbalance of power
Because you are NUTS if you think that a bunch of yahoos who spend their time watching duck dynasty marathons are going to be able to win in a shoot out with either Police or the Military. You are also NUTS if you think that any branch of the US Gov't is going to attack you. You really need to consider moving to Texas so that you can join the other brave souls who spend their time looking for signs that Jade Helm is real
It's ghettos, not lawful gun owners, that cause US murder rate to be 2x that of European countries.
When you started this, high homicide rates resulted from tough gun laws and not enough guns. Now it's the ghetto. Why does that subtle shift in the argument not surprise me?
I agree with you about police being dead in some areas, the same goes for London and other areas and so they are specially trained and are armed. All police have bullet proof/stab vests. I do agree with you too that it is a cultural thing in the ghettos but believe me in London now there are places where you would not go as they would like to murder or rape you and certainly not just beat you up but again I still would not see it as a reason to arm myself I just would avoid going in there and with some areas again race is involved and as a certain ethnic origin you would avoid that area and that goes on all races not just a black neighbourhood.
Yes I know people die and get murdered by other means including knives but it doesn't mean we all walk round with a knife in our pocket and that is the norm. But I do get where you are coming from when you say you feel threatened and for some that is their daily life and the only way they feel they can survive. I have not been to Detroit or Chicago yet and am due to go to California this week. I know there are places to avoid and I will be, however I will not be taking a weapon with me or buying one.
Mentality is linked to culture and also demographics. As another poster said there is rife violence at soccer games in the Netherlands and sometimes during the European cup but the solution is normally a big water cannon not a firearm. There are pleanty who have died in Europe at soccer violence. A UK fan was innocently killed (and they meant to kill) in Turkey at a match a couple of years ago. But not by gunfire. I think the point I am making is if you are stabbed there is a greater chance you will probably survive, a bullet in the head or elsewhere you are unlikely to survive.I don't know what the answer is, maybe the US has gone beyond there being a solution . It still however does not change my feelings on arming myself unfortunately either here or in Europe.
One other difference, in the Europe (generalizing) it's really not acceptable (by the criminal element) for crooks/thugs to kill cops, in the U.S. it seems to have become a sport.
What common sense laws could have been in place to prevent any of the countries mass murders?
IMO with 300 million guns in America and many nut jobs willing to use them to solve their problems mass murders are just part of the American culture, get used to it..
Wouldn't have stopped all of these shootings, but I think a basic psych evaluation (and a subsequent order by a judge if the evaluation isn't passed deeming a person unsuitable to own a gun) would've stopped many of these incidents. Now, the cost of the evaluation would have to be cheap (I'm thinking possibly even something along the line of the test that every police officer applicant has to take as far as psych evaluations go) so as not to effectively outlaw gun ownership for millions due to cost.
Also, people who have been hospitalized for mental illness should, in my view, have an automatic block placed on their ability to own a gun; only convincing a judge that they are on meds and able to function would restore those rights.
Many of the other proposals I see wouldn't even come close to addressing the problem.
Wouldn't have stopped all of these shootings, but I think a basic psych evaluation (and a subsequent order by a judge if the evaluation isn't passed deeming a person unsuitable to own a gun) would've stopped many of these incidents. Now, the cost of the evaluation would have to be cheap (I'm thinking possibly even something along the line of the test that every police officer applicant has to take as far as psych evaluations go) so as not to effectively outlaw gun ownership for millions due to cost.
Also, people who have been hospitalized for mental illness should, in my view, have an automatic block placed on their ability to own a gun; only convincing a judge that they are on meds and able to function would restore those rights.
Many of the other proposals I see wouldn't even come close to addressing the problem.
It's too late, the NRA won, there are so many guns in this nation that we might as well throw in the towel and accept the inevitable collateral damage that will ensue. When I lived in Reno my husband and I went to gun shows, he was usually the one buying/selling/trading so I would sort of hang out. You have no idea how often a guy with "institutional ink" would walk up to a booth and quietly inquire about buying a gun, because, well..they had a little problem like 8 or 9 felony convictions. More often than not the guy working at the booth would suggest they talk outside after the show. And please, don't try to jump in and tell me I'm lying- this is the kind of crap that happens at gun shows
But do I suggest getting rid of gun shows, heck no..it's too late. It's been too late for at least 10 years, they might as well sell guns in Kohl's and Toys-r-us and issue them to guys getting out of prison because there is basically NO effective gun control in this country.
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