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This is AMERICA. The county was quite literally founded on an absolutely flagrant disrespect of British governmental authority. You see, your totalitarian sentiment might be the way that the Russian "justice" system is supposed to work, or perhaps that of a banana republic. You disrespect government authority, and you are subsequently worthy of summary execution. But this is America. We have a mistrust of government forces encoded into our very founding document. "Innocent until proven guilty" implies automatically that it is our duty as patriotic Americans to assume that police are wrong when they bring charges against citizens of this country. Sadly, that sentiment has been perverted by political leaders, and adopted by the less thoughtful members of this country, yourself included, to mean "submit, or die."
THAT, my friend, is how you win an argument. Attempt not to disprove my assertions with verifiable facts, but continue on your clueless path. Then, one day, when the police state comes for you, you'll be damned sorry you didn't speak up sooner. As Martin Niemoller famously said:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
One day, your apologias for authority will result in the above being true of you. And when it does, you'll think back to this conversation and say "damn, that guy on the internet was right."
Or maybe not, since it "can't happen in this country, we have a constitution." Which, of course, Obama and Bush respected so thoroughly!
27 police were killed in the line of duty last year. Of those, several were merely traffic accidents. But if we pretend that they were all at the hands of gun-toting criminals, and we consider that there are slightly over 800,000 sworn officers in the nation, that brings us to a homicide rate against cops of roughly 3.375 police per hundred thousand. You are significantly more at risk of being killed simply living in most major metro areas in the United States. This does not, and will not, justify the members of those same metro areas shooting each other every time an encounter escalates.
Not to mention, ALL of the police in ALL other industrialized countries deal with the same dregs, the same criminals, the same armed buffoons prone to violence. And nowhere but here do the valiant badasses that fancy themselves "law" enforcers feel the need to shoot and kill so many.
Maybe, if you scratch your head all the way through to your skull and think REALLY hard, you could wrap your head around a thought 1/2 as base as "Badge says do something... must comply."
This is AMERICA. The county was quite literally founded on an absolutely flagrant disrespect of British governmental authority. You see, your totalitarian sentiment might be the way that the Russian "justice" system is supposed to work, or perhaps that of a banana republic. You disrespect government authority, and you are subsequently worthy of summary execution. But this is America. We have a mistrust of government forces encoded into our very founding document. "Innocent until proven guilty" implies automatically that it is our duty as patriotic Americans to assume that police are wrong when they bring charges against citizens of this country. Sadly, that sentiment has been perverted by political leaders, and adopted by the less thoughtful members of this country, yourself included, to mean "submit, or die."
THAT, my friend, is how you win an argument. Attempt not to disprove my assertions with verifiable facts, but continue on your clueless path. Then, one day, when the police state comes for you, you'll be damned sorry you didn't speak up sooner. As Martin Niemoller famously said:
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
One day, your apologias for authority will result in the above being true of you. And when it does, you'll think back to this conversation and say "damn, that guy on the internet was right."
Or maybe not, since it "can't happen in this country, we have a constitution." Which, of course, Obama and Bush respected so thoroughly!
27 police were killed in the line of duty last year. Of those, several were merely traffic accidents. But if we pretend that they were all at the hands of gun-toting criminals, and we consider that there are slightly over 800,000 sworn officers in the nation, that brings us to a homicide rate against cops of roughly 3.375 police per hundred thousand. You are significantly more at risk of being killed simply living in most major metro areas in the United States. This does not, and will not, justify the members of those same metro areas shooting each other every time an encounter escalates.
Not to mention, ALL of the police in ALL other industrialized countries deal with the same dregs, the same criminals, the same armed buffoons prone to violence. And nowhere but here do the valiant badasses that fancy themselves "law" enforcers feel the need to shoot and kill so many.
Maybe, if you scratch your head all the way through to your skull and think REALLY hard, you could wrap your head around a thought 1/2 as base as "Badge says do something... must comply."
Your statistics are flat wrong.. so grossly wrong as to be fabricated for an agenda.. which is exactly what we have above....
Ambush shootings are up by over 50%... thanks to Obamas tone and the black lives matter crap... and the liberal media hyping any and every story that has police in it
You are also flat wrong about how other countries deal with the dregs.. try any country where you dont have rights... which is most of them... see how that works for you protesting in Moscow... or Egypt... or Buenos Aires... or any other country in the world where people dont have high level of personal ethics and responsibility.
Decorum and CD prevent me from saying what I really think
So now you are comparing American cops with the KGB? Why not go a step further and compare them with the Nazis?
That would be a better comparison for some of them. Like the Gestapo. Especially the ones who believe that their Badge, is a Warrant, that allows them to do whatever they want, and go where ever they please. Like the Gestapo, in WW2. These Cops are enemies of the people and should be dealt with as such.
Not all Cops are Bad, but by the same token, not all Cops are good. Some of them are no better than Nazis. Some of you seem to think that because the Good Cops out number the Bad Cops, we should quit complaining about the assaults, and the killings these Bad Cops commit. Doesn't work that way folks. There should be no "Bad Cops" out there at all. And when found, they should be swiftly snatched from the system and dealt with as common criminals.
I have met good ones and have had dealings with a few bad ones, and have quite a few cops as friends, and support them in every way. However, with the Bad ones, I defended my rights, and took legal action to resolve the wrongs, and succeeded. Never give up your rights and push it to the end.
As I have said before, If you want to hand over all your rights to those who would abuse it, feel free to do so, and suffer the consequences, but you can't turn over my rights in the process.
That would be a better comparison for some of them. Like the Gestapo. Especially the ones who believe that their Badge, is a Warrant, that allows them to do whatever they want, and go where ever they please. Like the Gestapo, in WW2. These Cops are enemies of the people and should be dealt with as such.
Not all Cops are Bad, but by the same token, not all Cops are good. Some of them are no better than Nazis. Some of you seem to think that because the Good Cops out number the Bad Cops, we should quit complaining about the assaults, and the killings these Bad Cops commit. Doesn't work that way folks. There should be no "Bad Cops" out there at all. And when found, they should be swiftly snatched from the system and dealt with as common criminals.
I have met good ones and have had dealings with a few bad ones, and have quite a few cops as friends, and support them in every way. However, with the Bad ones, I defended my rights, and took legal action to resolve the wrongs, and succeeded. Never give up your rights and push it to the end.
As I have said before, If you want to hand over all your rights to those who would abuse it, feel free to do so, and suffer the consequences, but you can't turn over my rights in the process.
I would say today if any person is having multiple contacts by police then they have serious issues in their personal lives
If law enforcement today were Nazis you would already be in prison right?
Enemies of the people???? ... wow... really twisted
That would be a better comparison for some of them. Like the Gestapo. Especially the ones who believe that their Badge, is a Warrant, that allows them to do whatever they want, and go where ever they please. Like the Gestapo, in WW2. These Cops are enemies of the people and should be dealt with as such.
Not all Cops are Bad, but by the same token, not all Cops are good. Some of them are no better than Nazis. Some of you seem to think that because the Good Cops out number the Bad Cops, we should quit complaining about the assaults, and the killings these Bad Cops commit. Doesn't work that way folks. There should be no "Bad Cops" out there at all. And when found, they should be swiftly snatched from the system and dealt with as common criminals.
I have met good ones and have had dealings with a few bad ones, and have quite a few cops as friends, and support them in every way. However, with the Bad ones, I defended my rights, and took legal action to resolve the wrongs, and succeeded. Never give up your rights and push it to the end.
As I have said before, If you want to hand over all your rights to those who would abuse it, feel free to do so, and suffer the consequences, but you can't turn over my rights in the process.
In a perfect world, there should/would be no bad anybody. No bad doctors, no bad judges, no bad nurses, no bad teachers. But there are bad people in all professions - either bad at their jobs or sucky people. You can't ever stop it, no matter how much it "should" happen. You have unrealistic expectations.
Because we cannot weed out the "bad" anybody definitely, when it comes to dealing with cops, people need to act in as a respectful manner as possible. Don't talk back to them, don't badmouth them to their faces, don't run from them, don't pull a weapon on them, and don't attack them. Just listen and do as they say with no resistance and I promise you you won't die. And if you do, then your family/the media/the public/and the law will rightfully go after that cop, if you did absolutely nothing wrong at all and died anyway. But if you do everything right, even when faced with a "bad" cop, you won't die. I promise. It's the idiots who die.
I drive the speed limit, donot commit crimes, and keep my pants at my waist...I don't have any problems with the police...go figure.
I don't have problems with the police either but while I drive the speed limit and don't commit crimes, I have to confess I usually don't wear pants. Hmmmm..... Yeah, funny how that works.
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I would say today if any person is having multiple contacts by police then they have serious issues in their personal lives
If law enforcement today were Nazis you would already be in prison right?
Enemies of the people???? ... wow... really twisted
Having multiple contact with Police is sometimes a part of ones Job, and as such, can not be avoided. However, when contact was required, I demanded the same respect they received, and stood by my rights. Always, even if it got me a few enemies. That Badge does not make anyone better than anyone else.
Yep, you heard right. "Enemies of the People." The Justice Department has a whole section of its System, for dealing and investigating Police Misconduct. Go look at the stats. If it was not such a big problem, you would not have to have Feds interfering, and actually Prosecuting Cops for Civil Rights violations. This Department will actually go into a Police Department, and take over and dictate how it will be run, if its corrupt enough. Killing and Assaulting innocent people is not acceptable by any Police. Breaking Constitutional Laws is not acceptable by any Police. Just makes the good Cops look bad, and makes the Public distrust all Cops,
The sad part of this is also that the Cops themselves, both good and bad end up being Bad, because of a bad Cop. The Cop commits the crime, and the good Cops stick up for them, does nothing to stop the bad Cop, or remains silent. That makes them just as Bad as the Bad Cop who committed the crime in the first place. If your a good Cop and see a Bad Cop breaking the Law, and do nothing, your just another Bad Cop, and an enemy of the people.
People like me have never had an unpleasant run-in with cops. But that doesn't mean we can't see cops being unprofessional, particularly in this day of quick video.
The "worst" situation I ever had was when a cracker cop essentially asked for a non-financial bribe.
In my job as an educator, I had to follow the laws, follow the rules, and follow the guidelines. I except the police to do the same. And too many are not.
People like me have never had an unpleasant run-in with cops. But that doesn't mean we can't see cops being unprofessional, particularly in this day of quick video.
The "worst" situation I ever had was when a cracker cop essentially asked for a non-financial bribe.
In my job as an educator, I had to follow the laws, follow the rules, and follow the guidelines. I except the police to do the same. And too many are not.
Don't many educators not follow the laws, rules, and guidelines, as well, btw? Just because YOU did doesn't mean others didn't. Teachers are arrested quite frequently for having sex with their 16, 17, or 18 year old students. There are bad people in every single line of work. It is unavoidable.
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