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My daughter is a student at NAU - leaving work in a minute to take her to lunch and for the opportunity to give her a BIG HUG.
I'm glad you are going to see her! I'm sure she'll need some reassurances.
It would seem to me you raised a smart girl as she was not out in the street at 1am in the middle of a frat fight.
It is against park rules to drive golf balls over the edge of the canyon....I bet he can do it all day with no worries about hitting someone or being stopped. A park ranger would probably chase his balls and carry them back up if told to.
Yeah, what could possibly go wrong among fraternity brothers in the parking lot of an all-Greek dorm at 1:30AM after a big Thursday night out on the town?
I'm guessing drug deal, road rage, fight over a girl. Maybe all three. Guess we will find out.
ABC News already comparing to Umpqua, but didn't go as far as to use the terms gunman and opened fire yet.
Yeah, it just used to be rape.
Seriously, this stuff used to be "not so common." Drugs, girls, road rage, etc. Not new.
Fraternities have existed for hundreds of years. Why now??
Both "gunman" AND "opened fire" are the appropriate terms.
What would you like to hear? "Person with the gun" who "pulled the trigger?"
Why do we get so up in arms about school shooting, but tend to car e less about places like the west and south sides of Chicago neighborhoods where mass shooting occur all the time. Over 2300 people have been shot in the city of Chicago for 2015 and 350-400 had died, but people arent screaming for gun control when they hear that, even though Chicago has very tough gun laws. I guarantee if the city of Chicago allow guns crimes will go down somewhat (outside of the gang retaliation shootings) as many punks will think twice of robbing certain people if they dont know if they can fight back.
Criminals or mentally unstable people will always find a way to get a gun and commit a crime, so taking guns away from law abiding citizens just makes them sitting ducks.
Sadly school shooting will continue and sooner or later this will become common occurrence at malls or airports too.
Because that is mostly drug and gang violence. We expect safety at places like schools and church and, oh, IDK, NOT TO BE KILLED THERE!
I don't know why we should think this. We might as well all get 13 guns. I'm sure that would make the US a safer place.....
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When they are banned, I want you to put a giant neon sign on your front lawn that says. "THIS IS A GUN FREE HOME AND THERE ARE NO GUNS IN HERE"
The criminals will respect that sign and turn in their guns right away because that sign was a reminder to them that their guns are illegal and they dont want to be law abiding citizens.
Sorry, that violates his first amendment right.
And that rationale is way overplayed.
Lets not put ANY ban on drugs either because "only drug addicts do drugs."
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I'm just reflecting back what the gun nuts say about "guns" as compared to other murder weapons ...
It seems that if you want to sway someone to see your point of view, you shouldn't start by insulting them and putting them on the defensive.
I have seen so many of your posts where you don't refer to people who favor gun ownership as people with opinions, but start right out of the gate by calling them "gun nuts"
It's probably really difficult for you to have conversations with people of different opinions since you like to start it out by personally insulting them. If someone calls you a "liberal lunatic living in a fantasy reality spouting out opinions with a rational basis" you probably aren't even going to listen to what they say.
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But …
According to the Gun Nuts, a baseball bat or a kitchen knife is every bit as effective a weapon as a gun, right … ???
So ...
So I always see you ranting about gun nuts and the solution is to ban guns.
When Elliot Rogers went on his killing spree in Santa Barbara along with shooting people he also killed 3 people with knife attacks. Each victim had 15 to 94 stab wounds. Didn't hear a peep from you on banning knives.
He also injured seven others by hitting them with his car, they could have easily been deaths. Haven't heard you say that car nuts should have their cars banned.
You probably don't agree, but the mental state of Elliot Rogers was the primary cause of all this death and injury. I and many other would say that how we treat mental health leave a lot to be desired. One could argue that his personal rights despite being mentally ill superceeded public welfare.
Even if he didn't have a gun he did plenty of killing and injuring which goes to show you if someone is really intent they will find a way.
BTW if I took a full swing to your head with a baseball bat it would be just as deadly as you being shot.
Because that is mostly drug and gang violence. We expect safety at places like schools and church and, oh, IDK, NOT TO BE KILLED THERE!
I don't know why we should think this. We might as well all get 13 guns. I'm sure that would make the US a safer place.....
Sorry, that violates his first amendment right.
And that rationale is way overplayed.
Lets not put ANY ban on drugs either because "only drug addicts do drugs."
And we expect to be safe in our homes, not to be knifed to death by a group (cult) of crazies who's leader has a swastika on his forehead. (Los Angeles)
We expect to be safe at our jobs, not to be blown up by some nut in a rental truck or have planes flown into the building we're sitting in. (Oklahoma and NYC)
We expect to be able to drive down the road and not have someone curse at us, flip us off and then try to run us off the road. (Daily event in any city)
We don't expect to be pulled from our vehicle and beaten half to death with a brick (Los Angeles Riots)
We expect to be able to walk down the street and shop at the stores there safely or to just simply own a store without the worry of destruction. (Seattle,Oakland,San Francisco,Los Angeles,Baltimore,Ferguson and many other places that have riots)
The thing is unfortunately the world has changed for the worse, the "safety" of years ago has disappeared (if it ever truly existed) and your expectations of safety must change with it or you should expect to become just another statistic. Otherwise you're just living in a fairy tale la-la land.
The question should be "how do we change attitudes of people who think for whatever reason that killing/maiming others or destroying what is theirs is somehow ok and acceptable behavior"?
just another statistic confirms that when you add more guns there are more violent incidents, more suicides etc.
The reason some people refer to others as "gun nuts" is that your augments in favor of guns are so demonstrably false that it seems only a nut would believe them. You want your gun to protect you from violent crime? well the sad facts are you or a family member are more likely to die than an intruder.
And yes that statement that the criminals won't obey any gun laws. As has been pointed out it is criminals who disobey all laws, that statement makes no sense.
Now you want to talk reality, OK, lots of us are very willing to compromise, but you're not are you?
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