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They got lost maybe? You are aware that Joshua Tree is basically all badlands? That's why people hike there.
There was information posted earlier in the thread, saying that people living nearby would go running there before work a few times a week, so it can't be too difficult terrain, IF you stay on the trail.
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The Sheriff's Department has never disputed that statement.
They haven't affirmed it, either. The family is believing what they need to believe, in order to cope. Law enforcement is keeping the matter open, not ruling out either possibility. That's what objectivity is about.
They haven't affirmed it, either. The family is believing what they need to believe, in order to cope. Law enforcement is keeping the matter open, not ruling out either possibility. That's what objectivity is about.
Yes, but then what about *her* family? Their daughter was shot to death. If blame could be affixed somewhere surely somebody among all her family and friends would have likely wanted to be able to do so. In all this time if there had been even the vaguest hint in any way that he might have wanted to hurt her, or even that he had been pining for her, isn't it likely somebody would have mentioned it? Wouldn't any suspicion at all have been mentioned? Like other comments from friends and his family had been mentioned?
I do realize there are people who have mercy killed someone - it often seems to happen with elderly couples when one is in horrible pain.
What I'm asking you is, have you ever heard of a case of a murder suicide when the situation is like this - when at any moment, literally, rescue could arrive?
"Entwined" is the term I was seeing in articles. And I do know that in cases of tragedy, couples often die embraced, or a mother and child, etc.
But not in cases where one doesn't want to be in a relationship and the other does.
That's the thing. They were only out there a partial day, before he shot them both. Hikers have been lost there before, even in the summer, lasted the night (when it cools off), and survived until searchers came the next day. This info is earlier in the thread, too. I don't recall if anyone's survived longer than 24 hours or 36 hours. Granted, in this case, the weather was unusually hot, even for that location. But it just seems that desperation set in way too soon, plus the decision to wander off the trail into unusual terrain was odd, too. He had no drugs in his system, so he, at least, was thinking straight. Or as straight as anyone could be thinking, in that extreme heat.
Yes, but then what about *her* family? Their daughter was shot to death. If blame could be affixed somewhere surely somebody among all her family and friends would have likely wanted to be able to do so. In all this time if there had been even the vaguest hint in any way that he might have wanted to hurt her, or even that he had been pining for her, isn't it likely somebody would have mentioned it? Wouldn't any suspicion at all have been mentioned? Like other comments from friends and his family had been mentioned?
I'm wondering why no one in either family ever asked either of them, "Isn't it awfully hot to go hiking out there right now?" But they said they were leaving early in the morning, to go out there when it was cooler. Or "less hot" in any case. Given that, how could they possibly have gotten so lost, that they were out there through mid-day, and into the heat of the afternoon? It's not that long a trail.
Anyway, we're just going in circles, now, rehashing the same arguments from earlier in the thread. This was my last hope for some info clarifying what happened, but we'll never know what really happened, now.
That's the thing. They were only out there a partial day, before he shot them both. Hikers have been lost there before, even in the summer, lasted the night (when it cools off), and survived until searchers came the next day. This info is earlier in the thread, too. I don't recall if anyone's survived longer than 24 hours or 36 hours. Granted, in this case, the weather was unusually hot, even for that location. But it just seems that desperation set in way too soon, plus the decision to wander off the trail into unusual terrain was odd, too. He had no drugs in his system, so he, at least, was thinking straight. Or as straight as anyone could be thinking, in that extreme heat.
Only a day? Then link I read from this thread said investigators didn't know how long it had been and that they appeared to have been rationing food. After just a day? And that they ran out of water...are you sure he killed her within a day?
And I don't think you have to stretch it that much - at all - to read between the lines that he's saying he wanted to be with her but was willing to take a long approach and not an aggressive one.
But you do have to stretch it a lot, because everything you are saying is completely made up. No one ever said anything about him wanting to take a "long approach and not an aggressive one." This is all information that you are coming up with on your own.
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But anyway, wow that got ugly in a hurry, outta nowhere. :-/
Yes, there are some pretty ugly theories on this thread. Coming up with conspiracy theories about this guy being a revengeful ex boyfriend, when all evidence points to the complete opposite. Some pretty ugly stuff indeed.
Only a day? Then link I read from this thread said investigators didn't know how long it had been and that they appeared to have been rationing food. After just a day? And that they ran out of water...are you sure he killed her within a day?
That's my recollection from before. I had the impression that a) they didn't bring much of a water supply at all, and b) they consumed their snacks in one day. I gathered that the "rationing" took place throughout the afternoon. I could be wrong, I suppose.
There was a "ping" from one of their cell phones in the afternoon. That was taken to be an indication that by afternoon, they were in distress.
The latest article said the were all of 1/2 hr. away from their parked car, when they wandered off the trail.
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I'm wondering why no one in either family ever asked either of them, "Isn't it awfully hot to go hiking out there right now?" But they said they were leaving early in the morning, to go out there when it was cooler. Or "less hot" in any case. Given that, how could they possibly have gotten so lost, that they were out there through mid-day, and into the heat of the afternoon? It's not that long a trail.
Anyway, we're just going in circles, now, rehashing the same arguments from earlier in the thread. This was my last hope for some info clarifying what happened, but we'll never know what really happened, now.
I agree, we're now just going in circles. This case is going to remain a mystery.
It's interesting how quickly the Bed and Breakfast owner raised an alarm, and it's interesting how far they were from the trail.
Also curious that Law Enforcement states it appeared they were "rationing food". I would think they might have brought a couple granola bars and a snack sack of grapes at the most. It was intended to be a morning hike. I'm trying to imagine what evidence there might be that they were "rationing food".
Anyway, very sad case, and I agree with you that there's really no way to know what happened.
I agree, we're now just going in circles. This case is going to remain a mystery.
It's interesting how quickly the Bed and Breakfast owner raised an alarm, and it's interesting how far they were from the trail.
Also curious that Law Enforcement states it appeared they were "rationing food". I would think they might have brought a couple granola bars at the most. It was intended to be a morning hike. I'm trying to imagine what evidence there might be that they were "rationing food".
Anyway, very sad case, and I agree with you that there's really no way to know what happened.
Yes, rationing food and being out of water, plus being off the trail are part of what make me think they had to have been in a desperate situation for more than a day. Obviously, if you're planning on hiking for a day, you being food for a day. You don't expect to run into a Starbucks on the trail.
I was reading an article from a man who says he hikes JT regularly and that it is easy to accidentally veer off the trails as they are not clearly marked. It's sand and low brush.
I have not hiked it myself.
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