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The problem is that the prosecutor is treating him like a normal person who just committed an assault. What should have happened is the day this happened he should have been involuntarily committed so that doctors can determine whether he's fit to be in society. The sole legal basis for involuntary committement is whether the person is a danger to himself or others. There obviously is no doubt about whether he meets the criteria.
“He understood that doing that was going to cause harm to the individual, he knew that by throwing him over he knew the individual was going to be hurt, he shouldn’t have done it, and he admitted to picking this kid up and pushing him over,” Francis says.
This isn't a toddler in a man's body, there is something evil about this person and he shouldn't be around others, period. There were only 2 reasonable options of dealing with this person in my opinion - determine he isn't mentally capable of understanding what he did could have caused the death of this poor kid and lock him up in an institution, or charge him with attempted murder after such determination. He should have been locked up that day to figure out which option should be taken.
I stated many times he needs to be in a locked facility, but jail is not where he belongs.
This isn't for someone reading a news story to decide, it should be decided by a professional. Why he isn't being detained for evaluation is a mystery, the system has really failed on this one.
What we have is a dearth of facts. Here is another article, but I could not find a later one. So, there are a few more details.
The “developmental issues” was not a diagnosis, but an observation by the police. So, we don’t know very much about this 18 year okd, except that he bit a lifeguard previously. In hindsight, he should have been banned fron the pool then, but was not.
We really don’t know very much about this, and it is fruitless to speculate.
One of my best friends does it for a school, I'll have to ask her if she knows what the usual pay is.
In my state, I can guarantee you, since I work in the field, that it (hourly pay for direct care staff who work with individuals on the DD waiver) is between 9 and 10 dollars an hour.
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I don't gaf about why he's dangerous,
Well, fortunately, the law doesn't operate based on what f's you give or don't give.
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What do you mean, your sure he will be taken to a locked facility? he's out on bond for probably months before trial because the prosecutors aren't taking this threat seriously. He should be locked up now.
He has the same rights as anyone else.
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I think the point hellob is making is that we don't grant toddlers the "right" to run out into the street and be hit by a car or to stab another person with a pair of scissors. A daycare worker who grabs a small child to prevent such an occurrence won't be fired or imprisoned. Why should those taking care of severely developmentally disabled people be punished for doing what is necessary to actually keep everyone (including their clients) safe? That's what the rules in too many places do now.
Do we truly want to give the severely mentally disabled who lack a full understanding of how their actions affect others the "right" to be imprisoned alongside hardened felons (who may well abuse them and rape them), or the "right" to be shot to death by the police or a citizen with a CCW? Pretending they should be treated the same way as fully mentally competent adults just because their bodies have reached a certain chronological age does the developmentally disabled persons no favors.
I've worked in the field in 3 states and none of them had any laws stating you had to watch someone run into the street without doing anything.
Heck, I'm an adult and I don't want him near me either.
But there are some adults he likely could not pick up and throw. Most kids are small enough that he could do that to them. Not sure if he has other violent tendencies.
The problem is that the prosecutor is treating him like a normal person who just committed an assault. What should have happened is the day this happened he should have been involuntarily committed so that doctors can determine whether he's fit to be in society. The sole legal basis for involuntary committement is whether the person is a danger to himself or others. There obviously is no doubt about whether he meets the criteria.
“He understood that doing that was going to cause harm to the individual, he knew that by throwing him over he knew the individual was going to be hurt, he shouldn’t have done it, and he admitted to picking this kid up and pushing him over,” Francis says.
This isn't a toddler in a man's body, there is something evil about this person and he shouldn't be around others, period. There were only 2 reasonable options of dealing with this person in my opinion - determine he isn't mentally capable of understanding what he did could have caused the death of this poor kid and lock him up in an institution, or charge him with attempted murder after such determination. He should have been locked up that day to figure out which option should be taken.
He is not evil, and depending on IQ May very well be cognitively equivalent to a toddler. Again aggression is not uncommon in low functioning people with developmental disabilities.
He should have been humanely put out of his misery years ago, it sounds like. I doubt he realized the effect of his actions. But as a society, we can’t have dangerous mammals running around. It hurts everyone.
In my state, I can guarantee you, since I work in the field, that it (hourly pay for direct care staff who work with individuals on the DD waiver) is between 9 and 10 dollars an hour.
Well, fortunately, the law doesn't operate based on what f's you give or don't give.
He has the same rights as anyone else.
I've worked in the field in 3 states and none of them had any laws stating you had to watch someone run into the street without doing anything.
When you pick up an 8 year old and toss him from 30 feet high, you just gave up the same rights that law abiding citizens have. But in this case, unfortunately that's not how you or this MORONIC prosecutor sees it.
If you want to know what I really think should happen to this 18 year old, he should be put down like a dog. But I'm being restrained by saying at the minimum he needs to be locked up asap.
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