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Old 05-21-2019, 09:28 PM
 
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Look I am a teacher and think they should get in trouble but the notion that they tried to MURDER the teacher is just plain old false. Murder requires intent to kill someone and premeditation. Teenagers who commit pranks, even ones that can go horribly wrong and seriously injure someone rarely want to actually kill someone. They lack the development to stop and think about what they are doing. That is one of the reason we differentiate between adolescents and adults.
A simple google search would have told them what drinking such a mixture would have done to the person, so Id say it was probably was premeditated attempted murder.


A 'prank' would have been putting liquid handsoap in the teachers drink or something that wouldnt cause any real problems, but heavy duty degreaser in their drink...that would have been a HORRIBLE way to die.
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Old 05-22-2019, 12:24 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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From the material safety data sheet:

https://www.rustoleum.com/MSDS/ENGLISH/291528.pdf

"FIRST AID - INGESTION: Swallowing less than an ounce will not cause significant harm. For larger amounts, do not induce vomiting, but give one or two glasses of water to drink and get medical attention. If swallowed, rinse mouth with water. If feeling unwell, get medical attention."
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:33 AM
 
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Reckless endangerment should be the charge.
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:40 AM
 
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A simple google search would have told them what drinking such a mixture would have done to the person, so Id say it was probably was premeditated attempted murder.


A 'prank' would have been putting liquid handsoap in the teachers drink or something that wouldnt cause any real problems, but heavy duty degreaser in their drink...that would have been a HORRIBLE way to die.
You think they took the time to google the SDS in the moments the teacher stepped out of the room?
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Old 05-22-2019, 08:47 AM
 
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They should be forced to drink drano after being force fed rat poison.
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Old 05-22-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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From the material safety data sheet:

https://www.rustoleum.com/MSDS/ENGLISH/291528.pdf

"FIRST AID - INGESTION: Swallowing less than an ounce will not cause significant harm. For larger amounts, do not induce vomiting, but give one or two glasses of water to drink and get medical attention. If swallowed, rinse mouth with water. If feeling unwell, get medical attention."


I’m sure the kids conducted a thorough review of the MSDS before pouring it in the teachers drink
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Old 05-22-2019, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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I’m sure the kids conducted a thorough review of the MSDS before pouring it in the teachers drink
It doesn't matter. Their intent wasn't to kill the teacher and they're sick little prank wouldn't have killed the teacher.
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Old 05-22-2019, 12:52 PM
 
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Look I am a teacher and think they should get in trouble but the notion that they tried to MURDER the teacher is just plain old false. Murder requires intent to kill someone and premeditation. Teenagers who commit pranks, even ones that can go horribly wrong and seriously injure someone rarely want to actually kill someone. They lack the development to stop and think about what they are doing. That is one of the reason we differentiate between adolescents and adults.
This is the biggest contemporary myth out there. Stop and think for a minute. Before human life expectancy started surging, most 16 year olds were having and raising babies. If humans around age 16 had no capacity to anticipate the implications of their actions, the human race would have died out millenia ago, because no parents would have taken consistent enough care of their kids to keep them alive.

The reason today's U.S. children do not behave in a way to indicate an ability to stop and think what they are doing is that their brains have developed in a society that has stigmatized disciplining children. Absent such discipline it is a lot harder for kids to learn there are consequences for their actions. Other societies somehow do not have many of the problems we have with teenagers. Are other societies genetically superior? Or is it that they have honored the act of disciplining children?

Obviously, some abuse kids while claiming to be disciplining them. That's wrong. But in an effort to end abuse, we've basically stigmatized discipline. That is also wrong. And that is why our kids can't reason their way from action to consequence, not because of some iron law of brain development. If there were such an iron law, none of us would be here, because the species would have died out tens of thousands of years ago.
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Old 05-22-2019, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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This is the biggest contemporary myth out there. Stop and think for a minute. Before human life expectancy started surging, most 16 year olds were having and raising babies. If humans around age 16 had no capacity to anticipate the implications of their actions, the human race would have died out millenia ago, because no parents would have taken consistent enough care of their kids to keep them alive.

The reason today's U.S. children do not behave in a way to indicate an ability to stop and think what they are doing is that their brains have developed in a society that has stigmatized disciplining children. Absent such discipline it is a lot harder for kids to learn there are consequences for their actions. Other societies somehow do not have many of the problems we have with teenagers. Are other societies genetically superior? Or is it that they have honored the act of disciplining children?

Obviously, some abuse kids while claiming to be disciplining them. That's wrong. But in an effort to end abuse, we've basically stigmatized discipline. That is also wrong. And that is why our kids can't reason their way from action to consequence, not because of some iron law of brain development. If there were such an iron law, none of us would be here, because the species would have died out tens of thousands of years ago.
I don't think its a myth. There is some neuroscience behind the notion. And I know that I didn't think of consequences the way I do now. Let me put it this way. We spun donuts on the schools field. We didn't get in trouble. I didn't think of consequences, it was a merry good time. Now, there's no way I'd ever think of spinning donuts in planted grass. I've never suffered any consequences for being a hooligan in my car aside from one speeding ticket, and I now will not act like a hooligan in my car. I understand that while fun and that most of the time nothing happens, something really bad could happen.

I don't think that we have problems with teenagers, at least not any more than other countries.
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Old 05-22-2019, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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Snapchat, Twitter and the likes are the best tools in Darwin's arsenal.
Yep, these kids are trash.
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