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Old 10-12-2011, 05:35 AM
 
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I'm thinking of several streets between Preston and Hillcrest north and south of Northaven. Is that Janmar?

Yes that is Janmar -- Melshire Estates is north of Forest between Preston and the Tollway
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:59 AM
 
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Yes that is Janmar -- Melshire Estates is north of Forest between Preston and the Tollway
Jan Mar is east of Hillcrest, south of Forest. D Mag did a nice neighborhood write-up a few years ago:
D Home : Neighborhood Spotlight: Jan Mar

Northaven Estates is the neighborhood off Northaven between Preston & Hillcrest where many of the homes are on acreage and have private lakes, creeks, etc.
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Old 10-12-2011, 09:24 PM
 
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Actually Preston Hollow Elementary is in "new" Preston Hollow -- an area primarily of ordinary suburban size lots developed in the 1950s and 1960s. Most of "old" Preston Hollow -- within the boundaries of the former town of Preston Hollow (which includes the larger, estate sized properties) would be zoned to Walnut Hill Elementary with a small portion of the area zoned to Pershing.

Interestingly, Walnut Hill Elementary does have one of the "hot" special programs in the DISD -- a two way, dual immersion English/Spanish program and some parents in the area do choose Walnut Hill for that program over private schools. Several years ago the DISD proposed renovating Walnut Hill and housing the Irma Rangel Young Women's Leadership school in the facility. The Walnut Hill parents fiercely opposed closing their exemplary elementary school (that currently serves a primarily Hispanic population drawn from the apartments and low cost single family homes to the northwest rather than from the estate area of Preston Hollow) to serve as a school that they believed would cater primarily to the privileged.
Walnut Hill is 50% transfer students, a lot of whom are white (though by no means all) and the PTA movement leading the anti-Rangel campaign was led largely, though not exclusively, by white parents (both neighborhood parents and transfer parents). I did not once, however, hear anything about opposing Rangel because it would serve the priviliged (Rangel is largely Latina and is in Fair Park now). They liked Walnut Hill and the set up and did not want their children to get moved to different schools.

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PH's zone was slightly larger back in 2005. Since then, a new high school (Conrad) opened off Greenville east of 75 and I think some new elementary school(s) and a middle school, too. Those apartments off Park & Greenville were "young professional" apartments when they were new 30 years ago....now low-rent, high-crime apartments densely populated with Hispanics and African refugees/immigrants. Lots of kiddos/ hence the need for the new schools in that area.

I don't think DISD purposely zoned apartments to PH. It just had to move "outward" until it found a critical mass of K-5 students to fill the school and remain within reasonable bussing distance.

FYI, Preston Hollow isn't the only elementary school in Preston Hollow/North Dallas. Kramer, Pershing, and Walnut Hill all are physically within the affluent neighborhood and have similar demographics to PH Elementary. You seem attracted to the PH school in name only, but it's far from the only neighborhood school. Also, the district's Montessori elementary school Dealey is located on Royal Lane west of Hillcrest (also in PH neighborhood). It is very popular and very hard to get into.
This is mostly correct. DISD had a lot of school consolidation in the 1970s because the white schools in North Dallas were underutilized and with bussing this made the problem even worse. Several schools were closed for periods, including Dealey, which was closed for a substantial period of time (no idea why Dealey was chosen, other than the fact that it's rather centrally located with PH, Pershing, and Walnut Hill all very close).

The Montessori program was at Hotchkiss in East Dallas for most of its history, and I believe a combination of wanting to get white families to stay in the district combined with the growth in that East Dallas area (not that far from the Conrad/Vickery Meadows area) led to the Montessori program being relocated to the vacant Dealey campus.

The North Dallas schools are all as exceptional as they've always been, even with substantially different demographics (even from the mid-1990s, when most were at least half white, to now, when other than a couple campuses, there are hardly any white kids). I think part of the problem is the building of private school traditions and culture which didn't really exist a generation ago--you're getting to the point now that people who were in the earliest groups to attend private elementary schools are now sending their children there, and that's definitely part of it. You additionally have the growth of the McMansion bunch who stigmatize anyone not as cash-flush as they are and don't want their children to go to school with lower-income (or even middle class) children of any ethnicity because of a fear of low quality.
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:15 PM
 
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You additionally have the growth of the McMansion bunch who stigmatize anyone not as cash-flush as they are and don't want their children to go to school with lower-income (or even middle class) children of any ethnicity because of a fear of low quality.
It's interesting how the McMansion growth is leading to a decline of White students in North Dallas elementary schools.

In the area of Houston served by Twain, McMansions have popped up like crazy (especially after Allison) - Yet Twain Elementary has become majority White:
Twain Elementary School, Houston Texas / TX School Profile, Ranking, and Reviews - SchoolDigger.com

I'm not sure how many are transfers (Twain has a magnet)
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Old 10-12-2011, 11:41 PM
 
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It's interesting how the McMansion growth is leading to a decline of White students in North Dallas elementary schools.

In the area of Houston served by Twain, McMansions have popped up like crazy (especially after Allison) - Yet Twain Elementary has become majority White:
Twain Elementary School, Houston Texas / TX School Profile, Ranking, and Reviews - SchoolDigger.com

I'm not sure how many are transfers (Twain has a magnet)

A difference is that North Dallas has a particularly fabulous suite of private schools to choose from in a fairly small area. The McMansion folks in north Dallas are a very likely to pay for private schooling.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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A difference is that North Dallas has a particularly fabulous suite of private schools to choose from in a fairly small area. The McMansion folks in north Dallas are a very likely to pay for private schooling.
I see! Private schools in Houston are spread out across several areas. There are groups in the Spring Branch/Memorial area, River Oaks, West U, Bellaire, and Meyerland (Jewish private schools) - Some newer private schools opened in suburbs, including some Muslim private schools.

Fewer White students are enrolled in middle and high school in Houston ISD than in elementary school.
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Old 10-13-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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I see! Private schools in Houston are spread out across several areas. There are groups in the Spring Branch/Memorial area, River Oaks, West U, Bellaire, and Meyerland (Jewish private schools) - Some newer private schools opened in suburbs, including some Muslim private schools.

Fewer White students are enrolled in middle and high school in Houston ISD than in elementary school.
That is a big difference. In Dallas, all of these schools are within 5 miles (basically the area between the Park Cities & and a bit north of 635-LBJ) of one another:

Cambridge School of Dallas
Christ the King Catholic School
The Covenant School
Dallas International School
The daVinci School
Episcopal School of Dallas
Good Shephard Episcopal School
Grace Academy of Dallas
Greenhill School
Highland Park Presbyterian Day School
The Hillier School
Hockaday
Holy Cross Lutheran School
Jesuit College Prep School
Notre Dame School
Oak Hill Academy
NorthPark Presbyterian Day School
Parish Episcopal
Preston Hollow Presbyterian Preschool & Day School
Providence School
St Alcuin Montessori
St Mark's School of Texas
St Monica Catholic School
St Rita Catholic School
Temple Emanu-El Preschool
The Winston School
Ursuline Catholic School
Wesley Prep
Westminster Presbyterian Day School & Kindergarten


Some are elementary only, some are high school only, some are all boys or all girls, some are special needs/ learning disorder focused, some are academically lax and others are the top tier elite privates, some are religious....but overall there are over 30++ private schools in a fairly small geographic area in North Dallas. That explains a lot about the public school situation.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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Does Dallas have an association of private schools?

This is a map of private schools of the "Houston Association of Independent Schools": Map and Directory (http://houstonprivateschools.org/default.aspx?MenuItemID=102&MenuGroup=About+HAIS - broken link)

The private schools are distributed in several areas in the city.

In fact Strake Jesuit, St. Agnes, and Kinkaid moved from central Houston to suburban areas (Sharpstown and Piney Point Village) in the 1950s-1960s.

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That is a big difference. In Dallas, all of these schools are within 5 miles (basically the area between the Park Cities & and a bit north of 635-LBJ) of one another:

Cambridge School of Dallas
Christ the King Catholic School
The Covenant School
Dallas International School
The daVinci School
Episcopal School of Dallas
Good Shephard Episcopal School
Grace Academy of Dallas
Greenhill School
Highland Park Presbyterian Day School
The Hillier School
Hockaday
Holy Cross Lutheran School
Jesuit College Prep School
Notre Dame School
Oak Hill Academy
NorthPark Presbyterian Day School
Parish Episcopal
Preston Hollow Presbyterian Preschool & Day School
Providence School
St Alcuin Montessori
St Mark's School of Texas
St Monica Catholic School
St Rita Catholic School
Temple Emanu-El Preschool
The Winston School
Ursuline Catholic School
Wesley Prep
Westminster Presbyterian Day School & Kindergarten


Some are elementary only, some are high school only, some are all boys or all girls, some are special needs/ learning disorder focused, some are academically lax and others are the top tier elite privates, some are religious....but overall there are over 30++ private schools in a fairly small geographic area in North Dallas. That explains a lot about the public school situation.
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