Please let me know if I am off on my determinations (Dallas: 2013, apartments)

[binkyman]

In determining the scale in the core of Dallas, I would consider Turtle Creek Village to be about equal to the new high rise living in and around the Crescent development but the first is old money and the former is new. in comparison, Harwood a street over would be another step down and then Victory Park located another few streets over another step down in scale. Headed in the same westward direction, the Dallas Design District located across I-35 would be considered another step down from Victory Park. I have heard of a Trinity Design District. Is there such a place and is it located west of the Dallas Design District across Riverfront Blvd?

The reason I am asking is because of the development expected to take off further towards the west right across the Trinity River called Trinity Grove. What will help this development in the future is the already established scale in living across from it.

[jdallas]

If you are talking residential demographics only, I would say it dips at Harwood but goes up again at Victory Park. The W and Cirque residences are a step up from the Harwood corridor offerings in my opinion.
As to Trinity Grove, well, that's a roll of the dice right now. Any time you have a barrier (interstate, railway, river etc) between two areas of development, there's a strong chance one will be far more successful regardless of the amount of revenue spent. It's a psychological thing and Trinity Grove has just about every barrier there is separating it from the urban core.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by jdallas

If you are talking residential demographics only, I would say it dips at Harwood but goes up again at Victory Park. The W and Cirque residences are a step up from the Harwood corridor offerings in my opinion.
As to Trinity Grove, well, that's a roll of the dice right now. Any time you have a barrier (interstate, railway, river etc) between two areas of development, there's a strong chance one will be far more successful regardless of the amount of revenue spent. It's a psychological thing and Trinity Grove has just about every barrier there is separating it from the urban core.

Okay. But do you see the staircase I described? What the city of Dallas has managed to do is establish another foothold across the Trinity. But this one is stronger than the one in Oak Cliff. The scale here from the highest to the lowest is very distinct. Heading even further west of Trinity Grove, figure the scale is going to step down even further. Then again, the scale might begin to step up to the south towards Oak Cliff.

In looking at pictures of the expected development in Trinity Grove, I doubt the extensiveness of it concerning all those skyscrapers. What I don't doubt is how well connected it is both to Uptown, to the Dallas Design District, and to the Arts District in downtown Dallas. It is a going to be an alternative as it will be a very close in and convenient place to live.

[rantanamo]

Originally Posted by binkyman

Okay. But do you see the staircase I described? What the city of Dallas has managed to do is establish another foothold across the Trinity. But this one is stronger than the one in Oak Cliff. The scale here from the highest to the lowest is very distinct. Heading even further west of Trinity Grove, figure the scale is going to step down even further. Then again, the scale might begin to step up to the south towards Oak Cliff.

In looking at pictures of the expected development in Trinity Grove, I doubt the extensiveness of it concerning all those skyscrapers. What I don't doubt is how well connected it is both to Uptown, to the Dallas Design District, and to the Arts District in downtown Dallas. It is a going to be an alternative as it will be a very close in and convenient place to live.

This is why those renderings look the way they do:

The rezoning wouldn’t oust current residents and businesses. But it would allow 9 million square feet of apartments, retail and offices over 31 acres. In contrast, zoning for Victory Park north of downtown allows 10.6 million square feet of development on 87 acres.

from this article

Rezoning proposal for West Dallas development backed by city Plan Commission | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News

that is serious density, and its what the developers who have plans and own land wanted there. So you're pretty much forced to have some of the taller buildings in the city. Yes, this will/is stepping down some as you move south, but the only example we've seen is Sylvan 30, which will have 200 Units + 49,000 sq/ft of commercial space on 6 acres. The development where the trailer park currently sits, I would guess will be more dense.

[binkyman]

Originally Posted by rantanamo

This is why those renderings look the way they do:



from this article

Rezoning proposal for West Dallas development backed by city Plan Commission | Dallasnews.com - News for Dallas, Texas - The Dallas Morning News

that is serious density, and its what the developers who have plans and own land wanted there. So you're pretty much forced to have some of the taller buildings in the city. Yes, this will/is stepping down some as you move south, but the only example we've seen is Sylvan 30, which will have 200 Units + 49,000 sq/ft of commercial space on 6 acres. The development where the trailer park currently sits, I would guess will be more dense.

It is interesting how one could make a chart for the core area of Dallas using three different scales for residential, office, and retail development. The peak locations for each section of retail might differ slightly, though it is thought that the area that is most upscale concerning all three would be the new money in and around the Crescent of Uptown and, as I mentioned before, the older money in the Turtle Creek area.

Actually, one could argue that the scale goes up another step headed north into Highland Park. Then from Highland Park the scale would take a step down when arriving at University Park. If this scale were a metaphorical Mountain, then there would be a huge cliff like drop off from Uptown crossing over into downtown, but not so much into that of the Arts District though as, if this were a mountain, there would be a peak there. How might this scale rise and fall headed east on Ross Avenue out of downtown and Northwest up Maple Avenue out of Uptown? Surely there is a deep crevice in the Oak Lawn neighborhood between what is consider upscale in Uptown / Turtle Creek and what is upscale in Highland Park.

If one used this scale model to shape the central core of Dallas, then downtown Dallas would be part of Uptown and not the other way around. Really, the epicenter of the core area of Dallas is becoming Uptown.