Can the recent H-1B visa crackdown impact Local Real Estate? (Benjamin: universities, wages)

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by smuninja

I am only talking about masters Aspect,not BS you wont find that many candidates from India doing BS,maybe things changed now,but majority of them are here for masters .Rice maybe well ranked but its not known in India like Harvard or Stanford or MIT.We are talking mostly electrical engineering and Computer sciences. At SMU we had like less than 10 compared to 100 or so in masters.

They do it because they want a backdoor to immigrating to the US. I've had many coworkers who came here via the "get a US master's degree" method. They also went to non-ranked programs at no-name schools.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by smuninja

I am only talking about masters Aspect,not BS you wont find that many candidates from India doing BS,maybe things changed now,but majority of them are here for masters .Rice maybe well ranked but its not known in India like Harvard or Stanford or MIT.We are talking mostly electrical engineering and Computer sciences. At SMU we had like less than 10 compared to 100 or so in masters.

All sorts of poor decisions are made because people lack solid information.

1). The gap between Harvard and UT's graduate engineering programs is arguably more pronounced than undergrad.

2). According to US News (BTW these US News rankings are mostly from peer input which is probably the best way to do it)
Harvard top ten graduate engineering programs - none
UT - PE - 1, Civil - 4, Environmental - 4, Chemical - 6, Electrical - 8, Aerospace/Aeronautical - 8.
A&M - Biological - 2, PE - 3, Nuclear - 4 and a bunch of programs ranked between 10-15.

3). UT #9 and A&M #11 both rank higher in graduate engineering than Harvard #23. As a matter of fact UT and A&M graduate engineering are ranked higher than all Ivy graduate engineering. My guess is very few Texans know that. And even fewer people with Ivy fever know that

[UnfairPark]

LOL. UT is huge, graduates thousands every year. There is no way, anyone can beat them in polls based on "peer input".

[smuninja]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

They do it because they want a backdoor to immigrating to the US. I've had many coworkers who came here via the "get a US master's degree" method. They also went to non-ranked programs at no-name schools.

i dont think ,they do it as backdoor method,its very cheap to do bachelors degree in engineering,the fees for most of the state engineering colleges is cheap its close $1000 a semester,http://jntuhceh.ac.in/uploads/Fee_Pa...17_EvenSem.pdf

[UnfairPark]

Originally Posted by BigDGeek

They do it because they want a backdoor to immigrating to the US. I've had many coworkers who came here via the "get a US master's degree" method. They also went to non-ranked programs at no-name schools.

That reflects negatively on our lax policies then their will to use a perfectly legal way to succeed in life.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by UnfairPark

LOL. UT is huge, graduates thousands every year. There is no way, anyone can beat them in polls based on "peer input".

Is that supposed to be funny?

Peer in this case means school deans..........not students for crying out loud.

Here's the methodology in full.
https://www.usnews.com/education/bes...ls-methodology

[lovethisarea]

Originally Posted by EDS_

The shortage of well educated techie/STEM types is real.

It is not.

The shortage is caused by laziness, greed and lack of willingness of employers to invest in they employees.

At entry level, they simply don't want to give opportunity to "real" fresh out of college grads. When they change technology in name of modernization, they simply don't want to train existing Cobol developers on Java/Go (newer technologies). This truly boggles my mind as to why would they be willing to let go all the domain expertise their existing employees have only to build some shiny new software that does not even work...

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by smuninja

i dont think ,they do it as backdoor method,its very cheap to do bachelors degree in engineering,the fees for most of the state engineering colleges is cheap its close $1000 a semester,http://jntuhceh.ac.in/uploads/Fee_Pa...17_EvenSem.pdf

You missed my point. It is absolutely a backdoor to the H1B lottery. Some of them admitted it was the only reason they did a master's degree in the US. They had to go to no-name schools because their test scores were low. One of them had to take the TOEFL multiple times to score high enough to go to night school in Brooklyn.

Originally Posted by UnfairPark

That reflects negatively on our lax policies then their will to use a perfectly legal way to succeed in life.

We should close that loophole, definitely.

Originally Posted by lovethisarea

It is not.

The shortage is caused by laziness, greed and lack of willingness of employers to invest in they employees.

At entry level, they simply don't want to give opportunity to "real" fresh out of college grads. When they change technology in name of modernization, they simply don't want to train existing Cobol developers on Java/Go (newer technologies). This truly boggles my mind as to why would they be willing to let go all the domain expertise their existing employees have only to build some shiny new software that does not even work...

LOL...tell me about it. I'm dealing with the fallout from an application written by an outsourced group, comprised mainly of people from China and India. It is some of the most atrocious code I've seen in a while, and clearly whoever wrote it has no understanding of how SQL Server's query engine actually works. This code gasps along like a 1984 Le Baron going uphill and takes 30 seconds to return a single scalar value. Pathetic. (If you think the database is bad, you ought to see the rest of it. It's way worse.)

You will never convince me that we HAD to give those people jobs because Americans couldn't do this.

Give me 2 weeks and I could have trained some bright high school kids with above-average IQs how to do this better than these "highly skilled" foreigners did.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by lovethisarea

It is not.

The shortage is caused by laziness, greed and lack of willingness of employers to invest in they employees.

At entry level, they simply don't want to give opportunity to "real" fresh out of college grads. When they change technology in name of modernization, they simply don't want to train existing Cobol developers on Java/Go (newer technologies). This truly boggles my mind as to why would they be willing to let go all the domain expertise their existing employees have only to build some shiny new software that does not even work...

We are talking about two different things. Read the report I linked above.

[Walter Benjamin]

Originally Posted by hbdwihdh378y9

It has to be a myth. It's tautological. You'll always get exactly as many workers as you're willing to pay the market rate for. Why do you call it a worker shortage instead of a compensation shortage?

That is an excellent question - one that the media ought to ask more frequently, when skinflint employers come to them with sob stories of crops (laundry, database apps, etc.) "rotting in the fields" due to the so-called "worker shortage."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-new-l...ers-1489483811
Understanding the Economic Impact of the H-1B Program on the U.S.
http://www.psc.isr.umich.edu/pubs/pdf/rr16-857.pdf

From the paper:

In the absence of immigration, wages for US computer scientists would have been 2.6% to 5.1% higher and employment in computer science for US workers would have been 6.1% to 10.8% higher in 2001.