Dallas’ Poverty Crisis (Houston, Arlington: car rental, apartment, rental)

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by Rakin

Honestly... We'll never fix poverty at home as long as we let hundreds of thousands of illiterate poverty people stream across our borders ever year. Many settle right here in Dallas and North Texas. When you lift 1 person out of poverty and you have several new ones take their place there's not enough tax $$ to ever take care of the problem.

Isn't something like 80-90% of the births at Parkland hospital by non US Citizens? WE fund those births with our County tax $$. That money could be going to provide health care to our children.

It's a losing battle until we control our borders.

There is more to it than that but that's the place to start. Once we stop the huge surge of illegal immigration than we can worry about spending our tax $$ on the people here for proper education, parenting and health care.

Until then your fighting an ocean tide. Over 1 million + people are supposed to be coming into the US illegally this year and Texas will absorb a huge portion of those people. Those people will be a huge drain on our social services system. They will live in Poverty. You and I will have to pay for their food, their insulin, their dentist work.

I know this is not a popular topic.

While you kind of have a point, the reality is, 1st gen immigrants, legal or not, are far more likely to bootstrap themselves than long time born in the USA poor people.

Hang out in PG. Everyone and their mom have a hassle going.

Go to Cedar Chrest or your local trailer park in Denton County. While you will find hard working people there, generational poverty breeds apathy. You will see way less people hussling running side gigs etc. The real drag on our economy are born in the USA poor whites and blacks who use the most welfare, commit the most crimes, fill our prisons and have stopped aspiring for more. Getting them out of poverty should be a priority. Immigrants can help with that. Immigrants open local business in neighbourhoods where other people won't for example. They already took a great risk coming here already and are on a whole success oriented.

Sure there Hispanics who commit crimes and such, but if you adjust for their level of poverty, they are much better American citizens than your average "American Citizen" of similar economic standing.

The kind of people who make great Americans are adventurers and risk takers. People who are hungry, not fat and lazy. People who will jerryrig thing to make them work. Most immigrants are more American than most Americans. We need a constant churn of fresh blood.

The same is true of cities. You absolutely must have transplanted to be successful. A city of only locals is a dying city.

[f4shionablecha0s]

Originally Posted by elan

Illegals are taking away the tax money that normally would be going towards our poor legal residents.

Two main revenue streams for local governments: property tax and sales tax.

"Illegals" pay property tax, same as any other resident. Renters pay it indirectly via their rent. They also pay indirectly when they shop since the store owner has to pay. They also obviously pay sales tax.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by Dallaz

Explain please.

He's going to basically say that it is cheaper to live here so being poor isn't as bad.

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Utterly and provably wrong and has been for many decades. Political conservatives, southerners and the religious are by furlongs the most giving people in the first world and by a lot.

FWIIW - I'm an atheist.

This is true.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

He's going to basically say that it is cheaper to live here so being poor isn't as bad.

Not precisely.

My point, and it really isn't my point this is normal/old hat stuff among poverty and labor economists, is really two fold in essence.

A). $1 has significantly varying buying power across the country, states and cities.

B). Due to A. using a single set of federal "poverty lines" to measure poverty across places with widely varying cost structures is A). lame yielding bogus results B). long ago fell out of favor with economists. Using unadjusted federal poverty lines makes places like NY, CA, MA etc. look better than they are. Alternatively the same makes places like DFW, Houston, Nashville, Atlanta etc. look worse than they are.

ETA - I had to look up the numbers - as a follow on to A. Relative to the The US average purchasing power at median income $1 in MS is worth ~$1.18 and $1 in NY is worth ~$0.71. The yield of all that is while nominal median income in MS is much lower than NY real world purchasing power at median income in MS is higher.

The same logical flow applies to the poor.

[serger]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Not precisely.

My point, and it really isn't my point this is normal/old hat stuff among poverty and labor economists, is really two fold in essence.

A). $1 has significantly varying buying power across the country, states and cities.

B). Due to A. using a single set of federal "poverty lines" to measure poverty across places with widely varying cost structures is A). lame yielding bogus results B). long ago fell out of favor with economists. Using unadjusted federal poverty lines makes places like NY, CA, MA etc. look better than they are. Alternatively the same makes places like DFW, Houston, Nashville, Atlanta etc. look worse than they are.

ETA - I had to look up the numbers - as a follow on to A. Relative to the The US average purchasing power at median income $1 in MS is worth ~$1.18 and $1 in NY is worth ~$0.71. The yield of all that is while nominal median income in MS is much lower than NY real world purchasing power at median income in MS is higher.

The same logical flow applies to the poor.

Not exactly. A huge variable, for instance, is Medicaid eligibility. Very different between the two bolded groups.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by serger

Not exactly. A huge variable, for instance, is Medicaid eligibility. Very different between the two bolded groups.

Not a bad point.

However, that can't be hugely important as the poor have been streaming out of cities like the former and into the cities like the later for years.


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...501-story.html
https://www.vibe.com/2018/07/reverse...ck-populations

[Treasurevalley92]

Originally Posted by EDS_

Not a bad point.

However, that can't be hugely important as the poor have been streaming out of cities like the former and into the cities like the later for years.


https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...501-story.html
https://www.vibe.com/2018/07/reverse...ck-populations

I would imagine this has more to do with the rising cost of housing than anything else? Texas is a great place for working class on up, but for the working poor, the lack of services would make it a rough place.

[BigDGeek]

Originally Posted by Rakin

Honestly... We'll never fix poverty at home as long as we let hundreds of thousands of illiterate poverty people stream across our borders ever year. Many settle right here in Dallas and North Texas. When you lift 1 person out of poverty and you have several new ones take their place there's not enough tax $$ to ever take care of the problem.

Isn't something like 80-90% of the births at Parkland hospital by non US Citizens? WE fund those births with our County tax $$. That money could be going to provide health care to our children.

It's a losing battle until we control our borders.

There is more to it than that but that's the place to start. Once we stop the huge surge of illegal immigration than we can worry about spending our tax $$ on the people here for proper education, parenting and health care.

Until then your fighting an ocean tide. Over 1 million + people are supposed to be coming into the US illegally this year and Texas will absorb a huge portion of those people. Those people will be a huge drain on our social services system. They will live in Poverty. You and I will have to pay for their food, their insulin, their dentist work.

I know this is not a popular topic.

Agreed. We shouldn't be spending any taxpayer money on propping up illegal immigrants, refugees, and "asylum seekers" until we get a better handle on our own domestic problems.

[EDS_]

Originally Posted by Treasurevalley92

I would imagine this has more to do with the rising cost of housing than anything else? Texas is a great place for working class on up, but for the working poor, the lack of services would make it a rough place.

Lack of what services other than Medicaid?