What was 1980's Dallas like compared to today? (Houston, Austin: apartment, lease)

[Katana49]

Originally Posted by TurtleCreek80

Also with Chicago which has been in the news lately as a “crime infested city”.... 2020 was a horrible year for Chicago with 769 homicides, 250 more than the year before. But historically, there were 500 murders almost 100 years ago back in 1928 and over 700 murders from 1969-1998 (with only 4 years in that 29 year span under 700). Chicago’s crime wave has been increasing for more than just the last year but even it is still several hundred murders a year below the peak years.

That's true... but scary to think that Cabrini Green (which was arguably the source of 25-50% of those murders back in the day) is now gone and now that violence is more widespread geographically.


The main reason why CG wasn't torn down in the 80's/90's is because city leaders knew that crime would simply move to other areas... it was all about containment.

[Nuclear Bear]

Good thread.

Nowadays I'm one of the rare people that actually grew up in Dallas, as this city is now full of transplants.

My memories of Dallas in the 1980's is similar to what others have mentioned on this thread.

-Frisco did not exist, and I'd never hear of that place until about 2000. I didn't know anyone when I grew up that was from Frisco.

-Early 90's I can remember looking at a MAPSCO and asking my Dad what The Colony was....and he stated a suburb. I was shocked that people lived that far out from the city.

-Dallas looks really nice now, but in the 80's and 90's I though this city looked very primitive. I wasn't proud of being from Dallas at all....except for the Dallas Cowboys.

I would almost compare it to Tulsa or OKC. Dallas looked like OKC does today in the late 70's before all those skyscrapers got built almost overnight.

-Malls. There were malls everywhere in this city. Red Bird, Valley View and Prestonwood were my favorite malls to accompany my mom when she was shopping. All those places are dead.
People that visited Dallas were always amazed at how close Valley View Mall, The Galleria and Prestonwood were to each other.

WillowBend Mall in Plano is essentially the 2nd generation of Prestonwood Mall, but I will always prefer Prestonwood because of the Ice skating rink. I once saw the Dallas Stars practice there.

-Im old enough to remember when the area around Red Bird mall was a really nice looking suburban area for folks in Oak Cliff, Duncanville, DeSoto...etc

[cheeva]

Grew up in Dallas in the 80's. Teenager in the 90's.

Watch the movie "Robocop" . It was filmed in Dallas, and you could see the factory scenes that were shot in what is now Victory park. That was all warehouses along the K-T railroad line (now Katy Trail) with two giant smokestacks where the W Hotel is now.

Uptown didn't exist in the 80s. It was was open fields from Oak Lawn until you got to Woodall Rodgers. The Crescent was built in the late 80's and was the only building in that area for nearly a decade. Stuck out like a sore thumb. I never understood why Dallas had a huge urban prairie like that though. Was it never built upon? Were neighborhoods bulldozed (like Detroit?).

Love Field and anywhere near there was complete ghetto - shotgun shacks.

Knox st. was nice. Henderson Ave was ghetto, and you didn't cross over to the east side of Central Expwy unless you were going to get weed.

Coppell, Plano, Mesquite, Irving and Garland were the suburbs. Everything beyond that didn't matter.

Downtown Dallas was EMPTY after 10pm. You could ride your bike downtown, and yell at the top of your lungs and listen to the echo. Eerie, quiet stillness.

[turf3]

”Open fields from Oak Lawn to Woodall Rodgers”?

Not hardly.

First of all, Oak Lawn goes down to W.R.

Second, that part of the city's been thickly settled since the 1920s.

[Nuclear Bear]

I can remember going to the 1999 State Fair and they were in the process of building the State-Allen Neighborhood....and I was like WOW! this whole area will look different.


In the 80's and 90 Uptown did not exist and that area North of downtown Dallas was a lower income area that looks similar to present day Ross Ave in East Dallas.

[Andtheblack]

Grew up in Dallas and attended a Catholic high school that was situated across from what is now Woodall Rogers. Black Dallasites referred to this part of town as “North Dallas.” There were a multitude of black owned businesses across the street from my high school in the very location where Woodall Rogers currently sits.

[mykim112]

Originally Posted by turf3

”Open fields from Oak Lawn to Woodall Rodgers”?

Not hardly.

First of all, Oak Lawn goes down to W.R.

Second, that part of the city's been thickly settled since the 1920s.

These are those open fields I believe that are being referred to. Mostly in State Thomas, some of the last vestiges of North Dallas, the Freedman's town which I believe were bought up by S&L banks in the early eighties and cleared away for potential skyscrapers. Building of 75 and then Woodall Rodgers and 345 really split that community up. Not quite Oak Lawn to Woodall Rogers, but part of the way there. Buildings like the Powell Hotel (burned down in 1975) and the original Paul Laurence Dunbar library (cleared for setup space for building of Woodall Rodgers), imagine if those were those were still here today as historic landmarks, what a tragedy. That land remained mostly vacant until about 1998. Also today's Uptown only became part of Oak Lawn, PD 193, since a 1982 comprehensive plan, it had been officially North Dallas since 1889. I think that Uptown has formed enough of a separate identity from Oak Lawn that it is for all intents and purposes considered a separate area outside of zoning maps.

[cheeva]

Originally Posted by turf3

”Open fields from Oak Lawn to Woodall Rodgers”?

Not hardly.

First of all, Oak Lawn goes down to W.R.

Second, that part of the city's been thickly settled since the 1920s.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/comm..._dallas_circa/

Look at the top right of the photo. The fed reserve building was being built. Area was all open fields.

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Originally Posted by turf3

”Open fields from Oak Lawn to Woodall Rodgers”?

Not hardly.

First of all, Oak Lawn goes down to W.R.

Second, that part of the city's been thickly settled since the 1920s.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Dallas/comm..._dallas_circa/

Look at the top right of the photo. The fed reserve building was being built. Area was all open fields.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pict...xI7vZeyYjapL2M

[Endless_Mike]

I was ten in 1980. so the 80's were grade school, to the beginning of college. I wasn't paying attention to the things that are the common subjects discussed here.

There was significantly more open space. Example: Far north Carrollton was wide open fields and farms. No one wanted to even think about the Colony, or the the neighboring towns. Highland/University Park was *the* place for the money/materialist set. Amusingly, I was pulled over in Highland Park for having long hair and a Grateful Dead sticker in the back window of my Pinto around 1987 or 1988.

The building had been going on for sometime already, but what I mainly noticed were malls. Prestonwood was a recent addition along with the Galleria. The influence of the TV show Dallas was felt, and it was all about where you lived, what you drove and how much you made.

Deep Ellum was not a safe place to be in the 80s, early 80s or late 80s, it wasn't safe. We went anyway because that's where bands like the Meat Puppets, Buth*le Surfers and others played. I watched punks stomp the ever loving crap out of someone one night after leaving a show, because they had the audacity to wear Doc Martens. The homeless people were also pretty dangerous. Odd how they are fairly timid these days, relatively speaking.

Traffic did not exist then as it does now. There weren't nearly as many freaking restaurants then, nor was strip shopping quite as prevalent, they were starting the aggressive building of those at that point.

Back then it seemed you stood out more if you were from somewhere else. God forbid if you were from up north. My dad was from Jersey, and he was hassled mercilessly for it. He eventually just kept mum, unless it couldn't be avoided.

In some ways it was better, more green space, less traffic. In other ways, it was worse, less tolerance, less options and alternatives for things to do, culture and the like. Dallas has torn down a lot of historic or signature buildings over the years. Lower Greenville wasn't crowded, and was a lot more fun, and much less generic than it is currently. I'm not sure I'd return Dallas (DFW, really) to what it was in the 80s, but I do wish the traffic and accelerated destruction of greenspace weren't what they are now.

EDIT: I forgot the West End. That was another cool reason to go downtown. I saw some great free shows there back then.