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Old 06-27-2011, 10:50 AM
 
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In a grand game of global chicken America is using everybody else's oil up first thus saving America's oil for when we have the only game in town.........

Montana’s Vast Untapped

Gull Island Oil

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.07/oil.html
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:54 AM
 
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i have heard before that we are holding onto our oil figuring when it runs out, we will be the last ones to still have it. i dont buy it. it would take too much consensus between politicial parties from subsequent administrations, i find it hard to believe they could get that plus keep it quiet.
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:08 AM
 
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i have heard before that we are holding onto our oil figuring when it runs out, we will be the last ones to still have it. i dont buy it. it would take too much consensus between politicial parties from subsequent administrations, i find it hard to believe they could get that plus keep it quiet.
You are assuming that the "political" parties are in control of these reserves. They are not..........
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Old 06-27-2011, 11:37 AM
 
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In a grand game of global chicken America is using everybody else's oil up first thus saving America's oil for when we have the only game in town.........
Sorry TW. That is wall-to-wall bullsheet.

America does have PLENTY of that.

Going down your list . . . .

Montana’s Vast Untapped

Sorry, the USGS knows it business. Those numbers are the truth. The bogus claims are off by a factor of 100X.

This "story" is hype to sell land, equipment, leases, investments, etc. Gonna Be Big! Big! I tells ya!


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Gull Island Oil

HUH? Secret folks sworn to secrets. Yeah. ok.


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Wired 12.07: The Trillion-Barrel Tar Pit[/quote]

Canada -- that is the "Canadian" part of Canadian Tar Sands -- is not US.

And by the time it were done, if it were done, a major section of Alberta will be a toxic wasteland.

Time for US to grow up and get off Oil.
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Old 06-27-2011, 12:04 PM
 
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You are assuming that the "political" parties are in control of these reserves. They are not..........
i should have known better than to make a serious response to a post by you.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
 
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It's not so much that we're keeping our oil for later.

It's the fact that it is cheaper to import oil. Not all petrol is created equal. Some grades of petrol require more intensive refining than others. The oil under North America tends to be of the heavier variety and deeper down.

It's mostly about profitability. The oil giants are more profitable importing oil than drilling more domestic wells.
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Old 06-27-2011, 01:59 PM
 
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Didn't anyone in the US learn anything in school? Our economics classes are failing us.
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Old 06-28-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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In a grand game of global chicken America is using everybody else's oil up first thus saving America's oil for when we have the only game in town.........

Montana’s Vast Untapped

Gull Island Oil

Wired 12.07: The Trillion-Barrel Tar Pit
The sad thing is even if this is true, the companies that own the reserves here in the US have no patriotism- can we expect if all the rest of the world's oil runs out that they will just start pumping out those reserves and selling them here within the US? No way- they will sell them out on the world oil market to the highest bidder, no matter who it is. Corporations are all about profits- they don't care if the US bleeds dry and dies. So that's why it never really matters how much oil is made here domestically- all that matters is how much oil from all around the world is available, in hopes of making sure there is more available than the world's demand.
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Old 06-28-2011, 10:58 PM
 
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I hope there is a smidgen of truth to the claims of vast reserves. And I hope we are saving ours for when we need them. But, the Bakken reserves will require a massive investment to recover, including huge amounts of energy and water for the frakking process. And there are serious environmental questions. Every 6 months there is another story on the "Bakken's vast untapped reserves" and yet, despite a massive profit motive, very little traction. No shortage of conspiracy theories and political rhetoric though. Too bad we can run our cars on that!

Canadian tar sands have similar challenges.

Oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That Gull Island thing, well...anything is possible, I suppose.
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:09 PM
 
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It is all relative;

Enough oil,
Affordable oil

Unfortunately history has an uncanny way of repeating itself.
Seems our (USA) 250 yrs is about up....
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