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What's funny is we wouldn't even have this thread if the economy weren't in the ****ter. But, in the system of Capitalism, no one cares about anyone, they just want theirs. That's why you have companies shipping jobs overseas like it's going out of style and paying people laughable wages, because Capitalism left unchecked causes unhealthy levels of greed. We all know that CEO's today make much much more than they used to. It wasn't enough to have one mansion and a boat and rolls royce. They needed to have 10 of each.
Jobs are being shipped overseas because the gov't created a tax incentive to do so. CEO's make astronomical wages because taxes on higher incomes were dropped radically. Doctors and lawyers used to pay around 65% of income in taxes, and they still lived well. Now they only pay 27%. Obama, H. Clinton and Romney paid less tax than their own secretaries. And people wonder why the economy is falling apart!
The profit motive makes it worth the farmers and all sorts of food producers to become more efficient which in turn can lower costs. The USSR was known for constant shortages of food items. [/font][/color]
Actually, the opposite may as well be true. Fear of failure can be a strong impediment to skilled and talented people becoming as productive as they can, because in a non-socialized economy, the consequences of a failed enterprise are too grim to contemplate. Not to mention that the necessity to toil at a pointless make-work job for mere sustenance can get in the way of what a person is actually capable of achieving. Your food stamps and soup kitchens may offer a tiny measure of security, but what about dignity?
If your economy fails to provide for a secure life with dignity for all members of the community, even those who fail, it has created a system in which a capable and promising worker is forced to choose between security and the risk of catastrophe. Loss of security and dignity should not hang over the head of those who open the wrong door, because then too few will dare to open their doors. The guy who "coulda been a contenda", but was afraid to quit his day job.
To me, the failing will always be the leaders. Finding honest leaders that want to divide the pie fairly and it might have a chance of success. In the past leaders have been greedy and lived well while others suffered with next to nothing. It will never work that way.
Jobs are being shipped overseas because the gov't created a tax incentive to do so. CEO's make astronomical wages because taxes on higher incomes were dropped radically. Doctors and lawyers used to pay around 65% of income in taxes, and they still lived well. Now they only pay 27%. Obama, H. Clinton and Romney paid less tax than their own secretaries. And people wonder why the economy is falling apart!
The biggest reason is the cost of living. I don't know why people romanticize about early America and going back to it without bothering to realize the land was free. Land is further inflated often past the wages to support it by easy credit in the last few decades accelerating this process. We can't compete against over seas labor because we pay more rent.
Pure communism (or marxism) is realistically impossible on anything other that an extremely small scale. The idea behind communism is that everyone works for the common good but that is impossible with a leader (government). I like the example of there is a communist farm somewhere and it had 6 workers. On day one everyone shows up at 6 am but does not know what to do and goes home. Then on day two when everyone shows up one man decides to delegate assignments to everyone else. Once this happens the principle behind communism and marxism is gone. Now the workers are working for the leaders.
Day three on the farm: everyone decides to overthrow the self-appointed leader, and make decisions by committee. The rest of the day is taken up with committee members wrangling with each other.
The biggest reason is the cost of living. I don't know why people romanticize about early America and going back to it without bothering to realize the land was free. Land is further inflated often past the wages to support it by easy credit in the last few decades accelerating this process. We can't compete against over seas labor because we pay more rent.
Rent is quite a key issue for sure.
How about government owned land - can't rent be kept down under this kind of system?
and if we can keep the rents down, then perhaps we can compete against overseas labor to some degree?
I can see rent being fairly inflexible too, after all there is only so much supply of it - so how can this be dealt with?
Pure communism (or marxism) is realistically impossible on anything other that an extremely small scale. The idea behind communism is that everyone works for the common good but that is impossible with a leader (government). I like the example of there is a communist farm somewhere and it had 6 workers. On day one everyone shows up at 6 am but does not know what to do and goes home. Then on day two when everyone shows up one man decides to delegate assignments to everyone else. Once this happens the principle behind communism and marxism is gone. Now the workers are working for the leaders.
So in short no communism can never work.
Everyone keeps acting like in a capitalism, there are no leaders. Who decides, in a capitalism, what each worker is going to do that day? The leaders are the ones who figured out how the system works, and then did whatever they had to do in order to claw their way to the top, stepping on everyone that got in their way. The system will evolve into one that has leaders, no matter how they fool themselves on their way to that end result. Eventually, power will rest in the hands of the few, and all you're doing is squabbling about the rules of the game.
In every known society, a majority (sometimes an overwhelming one) do not want to concern themselves with day-to-day power decisions, and turn that task over with gratitude to a few in power. The public is perfectly happy to abrogate the decision-making.
What K-K really wants is for people to be 'idealistically perfect'.......ain't gonna happen.
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