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No, the company was/is trying to bust out the union so that they can deny good wages and decent benefits.
Bankruptcy can do that............
The union was asking too much. It's not like they were wanting to pay minimum wage to everybody. They want to find good help and pay them what they were worth.
Well, I'm sorry to inform you that yes, one of the processes we designed was for bread baking. It's quite apparent to me that you are either lying about your experience or your process was flat out terrible.
Well, as I stated originally, unless you were in the bakery business as Hostess was, you wouldn't know. Since you were (and unlike you, I won't call you a liar), I trust you know what you're talking about.
You DO NOT know squat about what I was manufacturing, however, so it's moronic to say that I'm lying or that my "process was flat out terrible." If it had been, we wouldn't have been one of the more profitable such businesses in the west.
And why would I lie? I was simply questioning your experience.
Also I never said I "believe that labor is the driving cost in every single breakdown." Why would you say I did? Where the heck do you come up with this kind of crap? It's misstatements like these that make me wonder how factual the rest of you posts are. Here's my statement, which is far from blaming labor for "every single breakdown":
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None of us know what all brought down Hostess. Probably even its top brass doesn't know what could have been done to save it. Obviously it had problems other than its workers. It suffered from a country that turned healthy on them, for one thing. Twinkies became a joke. Moms who put a Twinkie in their kids' school lunch were probably considered bad parents. Add the recession on top of that, higher materials costs, higher packaging costs, higher payroll, higher everything.... Management hoped for some cost-cutting help from its employees, and apparently most were willing, but not all.
Blather on if you like. I'm finished with this thread.
The boxes of hostess snake cakes have gotten smaller so thats the reason i stopped buying them. A box of 8 hostess cupcakes went from 16 oz to 14 to 12.6. The ceo,top management & bakers union are pure trash. Does anyone know what wages were the employees earning ? Im sure it was above min wage. Right ? http://hostessbrands.com/Closed.aspx
The boxes of hostess snake cakes have gotten smaller so thats the reason i stopped buying them. A box of 8 hostess cupcakes went from 16 oz to 14 to 12.6. The ceo,top management & bakers union are pure trash. Does anyone know what wages were the employees earning ? Im sure it was above min wage. Right ? Hostess Brands is Closed
$14-$16/hr. Not terribly much if you ask me. Of course, all the FOX news zealots will tell you it was +$40/hr and the union demanded gold gold plated cars and stuff.
$14-$16/hr. Not terribly much if you ask me. Of course, all the FOX news zealots will tell you it was +$40/hr and the union demanded gold gold plated cars and stuff.
Which is about what bakers at Costco (they might actually make more), and other bakeries make.
When you shorten the supply chain and eliminate the middle man, you take the wholesale markup. By making their own baked goods, Costco eliminates the markup added by Hostess on baked goods.
Entitlements have exacerbated our "real" debt estimated by some leading economists at more than doubling the debt and beyond to as high as 45 trillion! This represents the end of traditional pay raises (but in fairness not a total elimination). Instead of 6% we see 3% . Unions still have some clout, but generally where skilled workers make up the the work force for that given industry albeit indespensible. Hostess might attrition out older employees (one traditional method we are all familiar with) also turnover strikers thereby replacing them with a pool of thousands desperate for jobs. You have to weigh the value of existing oriented and trained employees and their production as opposed to newbee needing very expensive retraining and no established loyalty? These senarios are I believe protected within the union security blanket (better known as high end lawyers taking Hostess downtown!). Employees are striking in a horrible economy in which America and most of the world is bankrupt. You can be cocky and simply say your lucky to have a job, but Hostess is a solvent multi-product success story and I say employees and the union should go for it! Ching Ching! my little cupcakes! Ho Ho....stop
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When you shorten the supply chain and eliminate the middle man, you take the wholesale markup. By making their own baked goods, Costco eliminates the markup added by Hostess on baked goods.
Apparently the free market agrees with the value of the unionized Hostess workers regardless. If your competitor has found a way to do something more efficiently, and your business can't compete, quit crying about a bunch of $15/hr union workers. They're just trying to defend their modest pay. Either way, it clearly was time for Hostess to accept the writing on the wall... It's time to move on.
Hey, while we're at, why don't we also get rid of those totally unnecessary minimum wage laws. If only we could get people to work for 50 cents an hour, we would all be doing great!
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