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There’s little point to any immigration legislation unless we’re able to reasonably secure our national borders. I'm aware of only four proposed methods for border security that may somewhat reduce illegal entry into the USA.
(1) Drone surveillance aircraft with infra red heat sensors could patrol our more desolate border areas day and night in almost all weather at feasible cost. They would augment, not replace our current border patrols. I think such drone aircraft will also soon be adopted worldwide for search and rescue missions.
(2) Our border fence is expensive to build, maintain, and repair holes made by border crossers; but we may have to keep at least some of it.
(3) I regret that we may need to adopt a national ID cards required by law to be presented by EVERY prospective employee. I feel that our lack of such an ID card is among our nation’s admirable attributes; but this may be among the most effective methods to secure our borders.
(4) Applicant entrepreneurs seeking to import and employ foreign temporary labor must attest such qualified labor is unavailable in the USA. I’d be more willing to believe such an affidavit if the employers stated qualification requirement reasonably fit the tasks to be performed and the employer had previously made a sincere effort to recruit such labor from our nation’s labor pool. In a capitalist economy, offering more money and improved conditions are indications of sincerity.
Did the applicant widely offer 5/4 the greater of the median or mean average pay for temporary work at the given task? What was done for how long a duration to recruit USA’s existing labor?
For comparison purposes, if such tasks are not generally performed in the USA, we’ll use 5/4 the pay scales of labor requiring the most similar skills, study, training and practice. The pay rate of imported workers should not be less than that 5/4 rate. We do not intend to encourage import of labor to undermine USA pay rates.
Each temporary laborer must be bonded for an amount equal to the greater of USA’s annual median or mean average wage. That amount should be annually adjusted. The bonds are forfeited and arrest orders are issued for those who overstay within the USA.
The federal expense due to administrating “guest worker” programs should be entirely defrayed by fees to applicants and additionally to those that have their applications approved. There are significant per capita expenses in policing the treatment and the location of those guest workers. The effects upon our nation’s wage rates, enterprises competing against others employing guest workers all have interests that require federal oversight.
(1) Open borders to all immigrants who are not suspected terrorists, known criminals, or have serious communicable diseases. During phase-in period, quotas based on overall demand from all countries would probably be necessary to deal with the pent up demand. Quotas should be set such that backlogged demand can be met within ~10 years.
(2) Enact a path to citizenship in which immigrants can phase into becoming full citizens. Non-citizen immigrants would not be eligible for welfare or be able to vote, but would pay into social security and be eligible for workers' comp to prevent abuse by employers. Non-citizen immigrants who stayed long enough qualified for citizenship by being productive would receive social security for the period they paid into it during their non-citizen new immigrant status. Those that were not productive and/or worked illegally would never become eligible, except by marriage to either a citizen or productive new immigrant, for citizenship or permanent alien status.
(3) Actually enforce immigration laws. Those that refuse to register with INS are criminals and should be deported as such. During the phase in period, one 30 day warning is provided to anyone caught in the country who is not registered with the INS.
Turn the Argument around:
(1) Remedy the over broad language and over tolerant citizenship policies in the 14th.
(2) Remedy the semantic abuse of allowing law breakers to describe themselves as immigrants.
(3) Focus on prosecuting employers of illegals at any level.
(4) Expand specific guest worker programs.
(5) Expand legitimate immigrant numbers.
(6) Do something constructive about the nature of drug criminality
(re-legalize the natural state and re-medicalize the pharmaceutical)
An OPEN BORDER? An all they have to do is register with ICE and they are legal? OMG! Have you traveled around the world? Billions of people live in complete poverty and would flood into America and overwhelm our cities and social services!
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Originally Posted by Malloric
(1) Open borders to all immigrants who are not suspected terrorists, known criminals, or have serious communicable diseases. During phase-in period, quotas based on overall demand from all countries would probably be necessary to deal with the pent up demand. Quotas should be set such that backlogged demand can be met within ~10 years.
(2) Enact a path to citizenship in which immigrants can phase into becoming full citizens. Non-citizen immigrants would not be eligible for welfare or be able to vote, but would pay into social security and be eligible for workers' comp to prevent abuse by employers. Non-citizen immigrants who stayed long enough qualified for citizenship by being productive would receive social security for the period they paid into it during their non-citizen new immigrant status. Those that were not productive and/or worked illegally would never become eligible, except by marriage to either a citizen or productive new immigrant, for citizenship or permanent alien status.
(3) Actually enforce immigration laws. Those that refuse to register with INS are criminals and should be deported as such. During the phase in period, one 30 day warning is provided to anyone caught in the country who is not registered with the INS.
... (3) Actually enforce immigration laws. Those that refuse to register with INS are criminals and should be deported as such. During the phase in period, one 30 day warning is provided to anyone caught in the country who is not registered with the INS.
Malloric, USA and our allies suffered severe losses due to submarine warfare within both world wars.
Among his other talents, Will Rogers was a newspaper columnist. During the First World War he suggested we bring the Atlantic Ocean to a boil. Our allies Great Britain who then had the world’s largest fleet of surface war vessels would then deal with Germany’s new threat, the U boats which would be forced to surface.
Rogers response to the question as to how we boil the Atlantic Ocean was “I just consider policy. I leave the details to others”.
Malloric, can you suggest how we find and deport the many additional thousands each year that are illegally merge within our nation’s population , deport them, and stop them from returning again to the USA?
Do you as will Rogers did, just consider policy and leave the details to others?
After they’re in the USA, it’s not simple to extract them.
There are lots of financial incentives for the illegals to come here.
Get rid of the financial incentives. They get much more here than they do in their home country.
...It's not that complicated, just go after the employers, fine them and put them in jail....
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Originally Posted by Malloric
...(3) Actually enforce immigration laws. Those that refuse to register with INS are criminals and should be deported as such. During the phase in period, one 30 day warning is provided to anyone caught in the country who is not registered with the INS..
Greg T & Malloric, excerpted from First post of this thread:
...((3) I regret that we may need to adopt a national ID cards required by law to be presented by EVERY prospective employee. I feel that our lack of such an ID card is among our nation’s admirable attributes; but this may be among the most effective methods to secure our borders. ...
There are lots of financial incentives for the illegals to come here.
Get rid of the financial incentives. They get much more here than they do in their home country.
Mr.Spock & Happy Texan, we all seem to concur on this point.
Malloric, USA and our allies suffered severe losses due to submarine warfare within both world wars.
Among his other talents, Will Rogers was a newspaper columnist. During the First World War he suggested we bring the Atlantic Ocean to a boil. Our allies Great Britain who then had the world’s largest fleet of surface war vessels would then deal with Germany’s new threat, the U boats which would be forced to surface.
Rogers response to the question as to how we boil the Atlantic Ocean was “I just consider policy. I leave the details to others”.
Malloric, can you suggest how we find and deport the many additional thousands each year that are illegally merge within our nation’s population , deport them, and stop them from returning again to the USA?
Do you as will Rogers did, just consider policy and leave the details to others?
After they’re in the USA, it’s not simple to extract them.
Respectfully, Supposn
Why would they come illegally when they can come legally and work legally? The only people who would need to come in illegally would be terrorist, known criminals, those with associations with drug cartels, those with serious communicable diseases. I can't suggest how we find and deport many additional thousands. That's why I propose making the majority of the 10-20 million illegals legal. Much easier to deal with the remaining thousands.
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