Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 01-15-2014, 04:34 AM
 
4,765 posts, read 3,733,181 times
Reputation: 3038

Advertisements

Spending Bill Delays Some Flood Insurance Hikes - ABC News

Interesting that liberals and tea party members are in favor of ending taxpayer subsidies on flood insurance. While conservative mainstream republicans are attempting to halt/stall the end to subsidies.

"Some of the most ardent supporters of delaying the premium increases are conservative Republicans from Southern states, where the new rules have sent some home values plummeting because of uncertainty over insurance rates and because subsidized rates can't be passed along to buyers. New flood maps threaten to saddle some homeowners who are paying a few hundred dollars a year now with annual premiums of more than $20,000."

Should we be encouraging people to build in high risk ares with taxpayer subsidies? Or enabling existing homeowners by mitigating their exposure to risk?

Discuss!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 01-15-2014, 12:06 PM
 
48,502 posts, read 96,867,563 times
Reputation: 18304
Really no different than crop or other insurance. Actually much of the areas near rivers flood historically more than coastal areas. No one would write to insure many flood zoned areas thru out the country. sandy which was more or less a tropical storm when it hit NE showed just how far behind say NE they are in coastal areas building standards. Rememebr that in the 1900 storm that Galveston raised the entire city by like 19 feet which still amazes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-15-2014, 12:53 PM
 
Location: NJ
31,771 posts, read 40,705,240 times
Reputation: 24590
of course the government shouldn't be subsidizing people's flood insurance. if they don't want to pay for it, they can live elsewhere.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2014, 04:49 AM
 
4,765 posts, read 3,733,181 times
Reputation: 3038
Quote:
Originally Posted by texdav View Post
Really no different than crop or other insurance. Actually much of the areas near rivers flood historically more than coastal areas. No one would write to insure many flood zoned areas thru out the country. sandy which was more or less a tropical storm when it hit NE showed just how far behind say NE they are in coastal areas building standards. Rememebr that in the 1900 storm that Galveston raised the entire city by like 19 feet which still amazes.
Right understood how these subsidies came to be. And very similar to other subsidies, I agree.

But , when will we as a nation accept the fact that both political parties are incapable of acting in a fiscally responsible fashion? And I'm certain there are more than a couple libertarians who will fight to retain these subsidies when they find out their flood insurance is going to cost $20K annually and their home becomes unsaleable.

To me this article illustrates the complete hypocrisy of ALL political platforms.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2014, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Waiting for a streetcar
1,137 posts, read 1,392,231 times
Reputation: 1124
Fiscal responsibility means that if society wants to make a change in its policies and priorities, it doesn't put the cost of that on the shoulders of a few.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Cape Coral, FL
158 posts, read 381,782 times
Reputation: 133
Default Winners and losers

I believe that the people who smoke cigarettes should pay the cigarette taxes, people who own real estate should pay real estate taxes, and people who are in the flood zones should pay for their own flood insurance. The trouble with government subsidies is that they are great for some people--at the expense of all others--but once the subsidies end, the people receiving the subsidies start complaining.

I feel sorry for the people who woke up and found out that their flood insurance cost would be astronomical--I was almost one of them but decided to buy on a fresh water canal instead of a gulf access canal. My flood insurance, which wasn't mandatory, is only about $450 a year but it won't go up since it wasn't being subsidized.

I don't really see a good way out of this for the people in the affected flood zones--postponing the inevitable won't help much if they ever decide to sell their homes. Of course for people wanting to buy these properties, who pay cash and are willing to take a chance without flood insurance, will be the winners.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Florida
23,173 posts, read 26,202,662 times
Reputation: 27914
When I looked into this some months ago, those $20,000 figures in certain articles were commercial properties.
I know homeowners are also facing steep increases but none were that high.
Whenever a program is stopped...and I do think this is one that should be stopped....it's my personal opinion that it should be done in increments over a period of time appropriate to the raise.
If this cost raises the prices of prime ( read expensive) properties on the water then people should be prepared to pay them.
As with almost anything, the ones that object may not do so on a general basis but do when it's them it affects...same as the NIMBY mindset.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2014, 10:33 AM
 
Location: NJ
31,771 posts, read 40,705,240 times
Reputation: 24590
Quote:
Originally Posted by xoomer View Post
I believe that the people who smoke cigarettes should pay the cigarette taxes
why? I think they should pay for their own healthcare but I don't think they should pay into a general tax fund for politicians to waste on stuff people bribed them to pay for.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2014, 11:37 AM
 
4,538 posts, read 6,450,810 times
Reputation: 3481
Quote:
Originally Posted by shaker281 View Post
Spending Bill Delays Some Flood Insurance Hikes - ABC News

Interesting that liberals and tea party members are in favor of ending taxpayer subsidies on flood insurance. While conservative mainstream republicans are attempting to halt/stall the end to subsidies.

"Some of the most ardent supporters of delaying the premium increases are conservative Republicans from Southern states, where the new rules have sent some home values plummeting because of uncertainty over insurance rates and because subsidized rates can't be passed along to buyers. New flood maps threaten to saddle some homeowners who are paying a few hundred dollars a year now with annual premiums of more than $20,000."

Should we be encouraging people to build in high risk ares with taxpayer subsidies? Or enabling existing homeowners by mitigating their exposure to risk?

Discuss!

Tea Party folks live in Boston Harbor so they should be for flood insurance
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 01-16-2014, 11:50 AM
 
Location: NJ
31,771 posts, read 40,705,240 times
Reputation: 24590
Quote:
Originally Posted by SandyJet View Post
Tea Party folks live in Boston Harbor so they should be for flood insurance
winner of least funny joke of the year? I know its early but this will get nominated.

the tea party would oppose government subsidized flood insurance because its pure government waste. its not up to the government to pick winners and losers in real estate. if someone doesn't want to pay the market rate for insurance, then they should live where its more affordable for them.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:03 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top