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Old 04-04-2015, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What?

One doesn't even have to be a regular viewer of Judge Judy to see the parade of people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s on disability because of "back trouble," anxiety, PTSD, chronic fatigue syndrome (), and a passel of other ambiguous complaints. You can see it if, like me, you work (-ed) next door to the SSA office--what a ripoff.

Quit blaming "older people" for SS Disability's current situation.
Average age if SSDI folks is 53 years old.


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Old 04-04-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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SOLUTION: Make employers hire and accommodate people with disabilities.

It's shockingly simple. The ADA as written now has too many loopholes for employers. Most people would LOVE to go back to a salary of ~5xs what SSDI pays them.
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Old 04-04-2015, 05:45 PM
 
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While not a Fed program being on disability in CA must be great. It seems that one year was worth $51k. He must have made really good money prior to his faked injury

Dancing hamster arrested on insurance fraud charges
I read this article and am still extremely confused about where is benefits came from. They called it "STATE disability benefits." SSDI is federal and the cap is about ~$2,600 hundreds a month and the majority of recipients take in under 1k.
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Old 04-04-2015, 05:53 PM
 
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SOLUTION: Make employers hire and accommodate people with disabilities.

It's shockingly simple. The ADA as written now has too many loopholes for employers. Most people would LOVE to go back to a salary of ~5xs what SSDI pays them.
You can't lead a horse to water. I venture to say that a good number of people on this dole don't want to work.
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Old 04-04-2015, 06:16 PM
 
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I agree. Unless you are bedridden or in so much pain you are incapacitated by pain medication there is always SOMETHING you could be doing.

I know of two cases of fraud right off the top of my head. A friend of mine has a thyroid issue with heart problems. He spends his days on his sailboat cruising the Great Lakes. Next year he is planning a trip to the bahama's on his boat. He can't work? He is his early 50's and his medical issues compound his employability problems.

A neighbor up the road used to be a truck driver and now he isn't. He is around 60 y/o and walks at least a mile or two every day. He just rototilled a half acre garden last week. He can work but nobody will hire him due to some non-terminal medical issues.

Both these guys had a tough time finding work and used their conditions to effectively get "perpetual unemployment benefits".

Instead of trying to "fix" the problem by finding more funding we need to fix the problem by restricting what medical conditions qualify. If people are turning to disability because they can't find work maybe we ought to look at why THAT is happening. Maybe NAFTA was a mistake? Maybe free trade with China was a mistake?

The lack of good paying jobs in this country is our growing problem, increasing numbers on SSDI is just one symptom . Most of our welfare type programs ultimately benefit corporations, allow them to create enormous profit, and pay their top executives ever increasing salaries, keeping everyone at the top incredibly wealthy while increasing numbers of Americans see their wages stagnate or decrease. Corporations can use cheap labor in other countries, and they have don't have to pay the majority of their US workers enough to live on because the government will make up the difference.

Welfare programs, and SSDI keep people quiet, w/o those programs keeping people fed, and housed the rebellion would shake this country to it's core. Republicans love to complain about hand outs, but in reality they know these programs benefit corporations, and keep the wealthy swimming in money, so they aren't going to stop it, they will just keep blaming Democrats. When are people going to wake up to the fact that our representatives, both R, and D work for the corporations, and big money, not average people. They want our votes so they will lie, and use the media to keep Americans too busy fighting against each other to pay attention to what they are actually doing.
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Old 04-04-2015, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Oceania
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Robbing Peter to pay Paul is not the answer though.

They really need to find a NEW revenue source for SSDI because the number of Americans going on disability is rising, not falling.

It's sad to know one can go on SSDI because of obesity.
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Old 04-04-2015, 06:31 PM
 
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What?

One doesn't even have to be a regular viewer of Judge Judy to see the parade of people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s on disability because of "back trouble," anxiety, PTSD, chronic fatigue syndrome (), and a passel of other ambiguous complaints. You can see it if, like me, you work (-ed) next door to the SSA office--what a ripoff.

Quit blaming "older people" for SS Disability's current situation.

How kind of you to single out the people with mental health problems. As if they don't have enough problems and stigma.

You have obviously never seen the disability approval process in action. If over 50, you are looked upon as being less able to work than anyone below. A verdict of "disabled" is more likely merely for being 50+. This is a problem. Although again, the main problem is employers not wanting to accommodate those with disabilities.


Here is a real life example regarding the "PTSD" that you ignorantly roll your eyes at. A person close to me had her 20 yo brother literally shoot his brains out in the family's backyard. This girl in her young 20s spent a long time *trying to put his brain back in his head* before EMT showed up and took them to the ER. She was with him in the ambulance covered in his blood. She looked like that girl from ""Gone Girl" there was so much blood on her. She
went back to work in less than a week and started therapy.

She worked at a *Behavioral Health Center.* Approximately once a month, she ended up in the ER with a patient she served and would have horrible flashbacks. Her therapist recommended that she not go to the ER due to her PTSD. What was the behavioral health center's answer? REQUEST DENIED.

This was a "large" company with about 40 employees working at any one time within a 10-20 mile radius. She easily could have swapped jobs for a few hours whenever the ER was needed. Not to mention that this was a Group Home with multiple staff and she could have easily just stayed in the Group Home and have the other staff go. Except that if someone called in sick, she worked alone. (Another problem caused by the employer for not paying to call in relief staff.)

She was excellent at all other duties yet they refused to accommodate her (or to just be decent human beings.) I know many other examples like this that would/should make even someone like you sick. All denials of reasonable requests from *behavioral health companies.*

Until employees start accommodating such cases, we are going to see the SSDI claims in mental health rise- often for good reasons and due to irresponsible callous employers like this one.
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Old 04-04-2015, 06:37 PM
 
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You can't lead a horse to water. I venture to say that a good number of people on this dole don't want to work.
And I'd venture to say that the ones who pull in the MOST money from SSDI *DO* want to work since they are usually making way less money per month than they used to.

I can see those making little from SSDI and more from SSI not wanting to work since their work histories would gave been much less to begin with and perhaps showing little ambition. But then that is more a problem with SSI if anything.
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Old 04-04-2015, 06:39 PM
 
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the lack of good paying jobs in this country is our growing problem, increasing numbers on ssdi is just one symptom . Most of our welfare type programs ultimately benefit corporations, allow them to create enormous profit, and pay their top executives ever increasing salaries, keeping everyone at the top incredibly wealthy while increasing numbers of americans see their wages stagnate or decrease. Corporations can use cheap labor in other countries, and they have don't have to pay the majority of their us workers enough to live on because the government will make up the difference.

Welfare programs, and ssdi keep people quiet, w/o those programs keeping people fed, and housed the rebellion would shake this country to it's core. Republicans love to complain about hand outs, but in reality they know these programs benefit corporations, and keep the wealthy swimming in money, so they aren't going to stop it, they will just keep blaming democrats. When are people going to wake up to the fact that our representatives, both r, and d work for the corporations, and big money, not average people. They want our votes so they will lie, and use the media to keep americans too busy fighting against each other to pay attention to what they are actually doing.
(*applause*)


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Old 04-04-2015, 06:41 PM
 
Location: near bears but at least no snakes
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What?

One doesn't even have to be a regular viewer of Judge Judy to see the parade of people in their 20s, 30s, and 40s on disability because of "back trouble," anxiety, PTSD, chronic fatigue syndrome (), and a passel of other ambiguous complaints. You can see it if, like me, you work (-ed) next door to the SSA office--what a ripoff.

Quit blaming "older people" for SS Disability's current situation.
There sure is a lot of hatred going around. It seems to come from people who watch too much tv.

Yes, there is disability for people with PTSD and you don't need to roll your eyes or smile or wink.

My ex had to go on SSDI after working most of his life AND paying taxes most of his life. He finally cracked from his experience in Viet Nam many years ago. He had kept it all bottled up inside, never even talked about it. When his parents died it all came back to him. Death=Viet Nam.

He became a crazy person who could no longer work. He was in and out of the VA hospital. He was a danger to himself and those around him. He finally got SSDI and eventually some VA disability benefits too. Is he happy? Is he sailing around the world or playing golf all day long? I don't think so. He's living in some hole in the wall place reading books about war and being miserable. He served his country and he also paid into the system for MANY years. People who laugh or ridicule sick people..........
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