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Old 04-10-2016, 05:16 PM
 
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How do these responses in haiku help your research.... For that business you'll be starting.....

Cough cough cough troll cough cough cough.
I postponed.

I don't see a lucrative market for now.

Instead i'm planning to travel to Europe for the summer.

I'll look at it when i return

No need to start and go bust now.

Lots of friends advised the same.

Thanks for asking!!
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Old 04-10-2016, 05:27 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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I postponed.

I don't see a lucrative market for now.

Instead i'm planning to travel to Europe for the summer.

I'll look at it when i return

No need to start and go bust now.

Lots of friends advised the same.

Thanks for asking!!
So you have no clue how a business works, as I suspected.
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Old 04-10-2016, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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The U.S. placed a +266% tariff on Chinese imports of cold roll steel. This is because China "overproduces" things, making them cheaper on the global market.

I make things out of materials like cold roll steel. I then sell these things for a profit. This is how I make my living, pay for my food/shelter, save money to invest for retirement, pay taxes, etc.

How does a 266% tariff help me, or anyone like me? How does this help any workers, besides the very few still employed in steel mills around the country?

By and large, the only people this will protect are the people at the very top who depend on dividends and profits from corporations like US steel. Steel workers will continue to see employment opportunities vanish, as technology displaces them. We will all pay for this with exorbitantly high prices, making us less competitive and miserable. Our gubmint at work.

Can anyone explain how such a tariff will make America more competitive?
Buy American. Start adding to the GDP instead of reducing it.
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Old 04-10-2016, 05:35 PM
 
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So you have no clue how a business works, as I suspected.
Why are you making this personal on me??

It seems to me you don't have a clue about running a business.

If you did you wouldn't whine about some tariff.

How is it working for you now??

My case is very simple.

I don't see a good environment(aviation) to start a business and i don't.

And i'm not alone.

I don't have millions to burn and i'm not starting some tech startup with VC money.
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Old 04-10-2016, 06:04 PM
 
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How do these responses in haiku help your research.... For that business you'll be starting.....

Cough cough cough troll cough cough cough.
I agree, either start or don't but unless you are paid by the post on here saying you will start one, then posting on most threads, starting tons, is not going to get you anywhere. I am all for posting, forums, social media, but when you are on so much that you should be the owner that is concerning....LOL
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:16 PM
 
Location: West Hollywood
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Than they should have done something about it 20 years ago. Not now, when most of the U.S. steel mills are history.
This sort of apathetic "logic" is pointless and dangerous.
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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Buy American. Start adding to the GDP instead of reducing it.
Buy American sounds good.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO7VUklDlQw

Aside from recession has our GDP significantly dropped since 1981?

And it hasn't because of a number of factors.

Mechanization.

New technologies.

Importation is big business.

Cheaper goods allow us all to save more and/or buy more/other goods.
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Old 04-10-2016, 07:47 PM
 
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The U.S. placed a +266% tariff on Chinese imports of cold roll steel. This is because China "overproduces" things, making them cheaper on the global market. ...
AndyWire, you’re only at some competitive disadvantage to other USA producers of competing products that use less cold rolled steel or other cheaper materials per unit and/or their products are a feasible alternative to your product.

If you ever did compete on the global market, I would suppose that along with foreign producers lower labor costs, the additional cost of the USA tariff on Chinese steel no longer enables you to do so.

USA currently lacks a uniform policy governing our global trade practices. Many USA enterprises that attempted to compete with foreign products have failed. I suppose most that are able to effectively compete with foreign products never did or no longer do manufacture within the USA.

I’m among the proponents of a proposed USA trade policy described in the Wickipedia article entitled “Import Certificates”. Of course it can’t be of any help to you because you can’t just wait for it to ever be passed by a U.S. Congress. But your opinion of the trade policy’s concept would be of interest to me.

Respectfully, Supposn
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Old 04-10-2016, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Posting from my space yacht.
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I make things out of materials like cold roll steel. I then sell these things for a profit. This is how I make my living, pay for my food/shelter, save money to invest for retirement, pay taxes, etc.
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No. This is a free country. I can purchase my steel from where ever I choose. Producers do not have to be coerced into fattening the coffers of a bunch of greedy, whinny, self serving CEO's than cannot compete worth a damn. Nor can I be forced to enrich the already outrageously rich, coddled and well protected investor/non producer class.

This tariff is a blatant violation of the free market, and motivates me to shop around even more for savings.
This free market you're so in love with most likely also provides us with the opportunity to buy whatever it is you make with your cold rolled steel from someone in China who makes the same thing for a lot less money.
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Old 04-10-2016, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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He who has the greater lobby wins.
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