Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 04-26-2016, 07:28 PM
 
33,016 posts, read 27,473,071 times
Reputation: 9074

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by jm1982 View Post
And maintenance and all the utilities.
Most parts of the country it's cheaper or about the same to own.
FHA allows people to put 3% down.

Renters usually have to pay all the utilities, either directly or indirectly. Separately metered water is now standard in new apartment construction; older buildings with master meters typically bundle the water cost into rent or add a surcharge for pro-rated usage, which is rarely a good deal for renters. When multiple people share a common utility bill, there is huge incentive to consume and minimal incentive to save: currently I live in a six-person house. Every drop of water I use costs me 1/6 of the unit water cost, and every drop of water I conserve saves me only 1/6 of the unit water cost. That's a great formula for running up utility bills.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-26-2016, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Spain
12,722 posts, read 7,580,425 times
Reputation: 22639
Quote:
Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
i.e. why not give low-wage workers the wages they earned but did not receive
The wages low-wage workers earned are the ones they agreed upon when they took the job. In the overwhelming majority of cases they receive them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by freemkt View Post
BZZT! Landlords are not charities and they price their rents to recoup ALL their costs, including taxes, PLUS enjoy a level of profit they consider acceptable.
That doesn't mean a renter pays property tax, one cannot arbitrarily link business expenses to sources of revenue and claim it is a direct transfer.

I have a Netflix subscription, but I sure as hell don't go around claiming I rent bandwidth on Amazon Cloud Services since that is an expense of Netflix related to my video consumption.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-26-2016, 08:46 PM
 
28,115 posts, read 63,692,777 times
Reputation: 23268
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post
They might have closed the store because of the minimum wage increase, but if so, why did these other stores in California close?
CALIFORNIA (CLOSING JAN. 28):

5502 Monterey Hwy, San Jose $10.30
151 E 5th St., Long Beach $10
8400 Edgewater Drive, Oakland $12.25
4101 Crenshaw Blcd., Los Angeles $10
2408 Lincoln Ave., Altadena $10
6820 Eastern Ave., Bell Gardens $10
701 W Cesar E Chavez Ave., Los Angeles, CA $10
2045 E Highland Ave., San Bernardino, CA $10
12120 Carson St., Hawaiian Gardens, CA $10

Store closings were announced when state minimum wage was $9, but I listed it at the 2016 rate $10
The store I mentioned is on your list above at $12.55 now...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-26-2016, 08:50 PM
 
3,792 posts, read 2,386,435 times
Reputation: 768
Quote:
Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post


No, we are not all better off.

Minimum wage workers who remain employed are better off because of the direct subsidy received that they did not earn.
Limiting growth to a higher compensation rate by means of a higher minimum wage means that the same number of jobs added at minimum wage gets you a higher growth in GDP per capita.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post

Minimum wage workers who lose their jobs are not better off.
But they benefit from higher growth in GDP per capita.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post

Employers of minimum wage workers are worse off because of the tax increase (which, instead of going to Washington DC and then to the minimum wage employee goes directly from the employer to the employee).
But they benefit from high growth in GDP per capita.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post

Total GDP is lower than it otherwise would be.
Wrong. The FED will loan out enough money to get 5% unemployment. So if everyone is making more than $15hr instead of more than $7.25hr GDP will be bigger.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post

GDP per capita is lower than it otherwise would be.
The growth rate is higher in GDP per capita with increasing minimum wage.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SportyandMisty View Post

A society cannot tax its way to prosperity.
Ya but it can pay its workers more to prosperity.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-26-2016, 08:51 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,850 posts, read 26,301,017 times
Reputation: 34059
Quote:
Originally Posted by lieqiang View Post
That doesn't mean a renter pays property tax, one cannot arbitrarily link business expenses to sources of revenue and claim it is a direct transfer.
who claimed it's a direct transfer, and why would you split hairs over it?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-26-2016, 09:03 PM
 
1,278 posts, read 1,248,973 times
Reputation: 1312
manipulated wage growth outside of supply and demand is just bad. i see neighborhoods in nj, where there were true craftsmen doing work on homes, they're gone, replaced by barely competent union workers who don't give a flying F about how your home turns out, just get it done. when you have a free market of supply and demand, you get what you pay for. when you pay everyone the same higher minimum wage, competition ends and you end up with a lot of inferior quality.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-26-2016, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,850 posts, read 26,301,017 times
Reputation: 34059
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultrarunner View Post
The store I mentioned is on your list above at $12.55 now...
You are correct it's $12.55. But you did understand the point I was making, right? There is really no evidence that the Oakland store closed because of a $12.55 wage. I know someone who works for Regional Walmart security and they said the theft at that store was insane. But the thing that points to the fact that it wasn't just about the minimum wage is the fact that at the same time they closed that store, 153 other Walmart stores closed, most of them in parts of the country where the minimum wage is still $7.25 List of the 154 U.S. stores Walmart is closing
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-26-2016, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,850 posts, read 26,301,017 times
Reputation: 34059
Quote:
Originally Posted by ControlJohnsons View Post
manipulated wage growth outside of supply and demand is just bad. i see neighborhoods in nj, where there were true craftsmen doing work on homes, they're gone, replaced by barely competent union workers who don't give a flying F about how your home turns out, just get it done. when you have a free market of supply and demand, you get what you pay for. when you pay everyone the same higher minimum wage, competition ends and you end up with a lot of inferior quality.
When and where were craftsmen paid minimum wage?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-26-2016, 09:16 PM
 
1,278 posts, read 1,248,973 times
Reputation: 1312
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post
When and where were craftsmen paid minimum wage?
that is my point, they weren't paid minimum wage, but garnered premium pay because of their work. now that there is artifically set rising minimum wage or annual union wage inflation, the customer can't discern who is quality. and craftsmen leave the biz because they can't compete with the product of manipulated legislation. you end up with bad quality.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-26-2016, 09:48 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
42,850 posts, read 26,301,017 times
Reputation: 34059
Quote:
Originally Posted by ControlJohnsons View Post
that is my point, they weren't paid minimum wage, but garnered premium pay because of their work. now that there is artifically set rising minimum wage or annual union wage inflation, the customer can't discern who is quality. and craftsmen leave the biz because they can't compete with the product of manipulated legislation. you end up with bad quality.
Oh, I see so the only "non-artificial" wage is the absolute lowest wage at which an employer can find someone to do the job.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Economics

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top