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Old 12-02-2016, 05:02 PM
 
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178,000 jobs were added in November. More than since 2007, I read. Unemployment down to 4.6%.

Sweet. There's evidence that middle class wages are ticking upwards, too, but of course, not enough. The middle class income has not been keeping up with the rest of the economy for years. Still, good news is good news.
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Old 12-02-2016, 07:28 PM
 
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The Real Unemployment Rate https://www.thebalance.com/what-is-t...t-rate-3306198
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Old 12-02-2016, 10:02 PM
 
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I guess people don't really feel it despite the numbers.
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Old 12-03-2016, 01:08 AM
 
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That is not the "real" unemployment rate, and it is hilarious that author references all the BLS definitions and statistics then mixes in her own pet definition of "real" as if it were some commonly accepted idea that U-6 is any more real or significant than U-3.
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Old 12-03-2016, 06:31 AM
 
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As this is the ECONOMICS forum, it should be universally understood here that U-3 is the unemployment rate while U-6 is an alternative measure of labor under-utilization. These are defined matters of fact.
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Old 12-03-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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And 100,000+ of those "jobs" were pizza delivery jobs, uber jobs, janitors, etc.. basically junk.
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Old 12-03-2016, 11:32 AM
 
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178,000 jobs were added in November. More than since 2007, I read. Unemployment down to 4.6%.

Sweet. There's evidence that middle class wages are ticking upwards, too, but of course, not enough. The middle class income has not been keeping up with the rest of the economy for years. Still, good news is good news.
Except the big drop in the unemployment rate stems, in good part, from people dropping out of the labor force:


What are 95 million Americans doing out of the labor force?


Explaining the consistent increase in those leaving the labor force is complicated, with factors divided between an aging and rapidly retiring workforce, a skills gap that leaves job openings unfilled, and the nettlesome problem of too many people who find it's just easier to collect welfare and other transfer payments rather than go back to work.
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Old 12-03-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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And 100,000+ of those "jobs" were pizza delivery jobs, uber jobs, janitors, etc.. basically junk.
BLS saw things differently...

In November, employment gains occurred in professional and business services and in health care. Employment in professional and business services rose by 63,000 in November and has risen by 571,000 over the year. Over the month, accounting and bookkeeping services added 18,000 jobs.

Employment continued to trend up in administrative and support services (+36,000), computer systems design and related services (+5,000), and management and technical consulting services (+4,000).

Health care employment rose by 28,000 in November. Within the industry, employment growth occurred in ambulatory health care services (+22,000). Over the past 12 months, health care has added 407,000 jobs.

Employment in construction continued on its recent upward trend in November (+19,000), witha gain in residential specialty trade contractors (+15,000). Over the past 3 months, construction has added 59,000 jobs, largely in residential construction.
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Old 12-03-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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Except the big drop in the unemployment rate stems, in good part, from people dropping out of the labor force:
Actually, the labor force has increased by 2,119,000 (1.35%) since November of 2015. It's amazing how many people have failed to notice that.
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Old 12-03-2016, 03:06 PM
 
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Except the big drop in the unemployment rate stems, in good part, from people dropping out of the labor force:
Correct.

Apologists claim the increased number of Americans dropping out of the labor force is due to Boomers retiring, but that data doesn't support the claim. In fact, just the opposite, Boomers are increasing their presence in the labor force.

LNU01300097 Labor Force Participation Rate 65+ Years

2000 12.9%
2001 13.0
2002 13.2
2003 14.0
2004 14.4
2005 15.0
2006 15.4
2007 16.0
2008 16.8
2009 17.2
2010 17.4
2011 17.9
2012 18.5
2013 18.7
2014 18.6
2015 18.9
2016 19.4

More Boomers are working longer.

The same holds true for the 55-59 Years group which has increased from 69.3% in 2000 to 71.5% in 2016 and the 60-64 Year age group, increasing from 47.5% to 61.3% over the same time period.

No matter how you look at it, older people are staying in the work force longer.

So who dropped out of the Labor Force?

Mostly the 16-24 year old and 25-54 year old crowds. We can see that here:

LNU01324887 Labor Force Participation Rate 16-24 Years

2000 65.8%
2001 64.5
2002 63.3
2003 61.6
2004 61.1
2005 60.8
2006 60.6
2007 59.4
2008 58.8
2009 56.9
2010 55.2
2011 55.0
2012 54.9
2013 55.1
2014 55.0
2015 55.0
2016 55.3

That's a 10 point decline. And then here:

LNU01300060 Labor Force Participation Rate 25-54 Years

2000 84.0%
2001 83.7
2002 83.3
2003 83.0
2004 82.8
2005 82.8
2006 82.9
2007 83.0
2008 83.1
2009 82.6
2010 82.2
2011 81.6
2012 81.5
2013 81.0
2014 80.9
2015 80.9
2016 81.3

A 3 point decline

The bottom line is that 13,881,835 fewer Americans are working now than in Year 2000.

Add that to the 7+ Million that are unemployed, and the unemployed becomes 20+ Million, so you can see where some people might claim the real unemployment rate is ~12.5%
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