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Well when businesses lay everyone off, refuses to hire them back later because they are long term unemployed, won't pay market rates, and refuses to train new people to keep the pipeline full, this is what you get.
I have friends and family who are business owners and whenever I catch some of them for lunch, they all complain about how they can't find anyone.
I start to drill down the questions and it is very obvious why they can't find anyone.
I think it was Kia who opened up a new plant. Something like 3,000 people applied for jobs who had previous car manufacturing experience. Not a single one was hired and Kia complained about not being able to find anyone.
If you had previous union experience, Kia would not hire you. You where considered unqualified for the job according to Kia.
There are lots of reasons why businesses can't find people and most of the time it has nothing to do with not having enough people willing and able to do the job.
Well when businesses lay everyone off, refuses to hire them back later because they are long term unemployed, won't pay market rates, and refuses to train new people to keep the pipeline full, this is what you get.
I have friends and family who are business owners and whenever I catch some of them for lunch, they all complain about how they can't find anyone.
I start to drill down the questions and it is very obvious why they can't find anyone.
I think it was Kia who opened up a new plant. Something like 3,000 people applied for jobs who had previous car manufacturing experience. Not a single one was hired and Kia complained about not being able to find anyone.
If you had previous union experience, Kia would not hire you. You where considered unqualified for the job according to Kia.
There are lots of reasons why businesses can't find people and most of the time it has nothing to do with not having enough people willing and able to do the job.
The Japanese and Koreans view UAW as a criminal organization that drove GM out of business. Even when GM was bleeding $40 billion in 2006, the UAW threatened to go on strike if health benefits were cut. What idiots! Of course a Kia or Toyota or Nissan manager is not going to want people like that in their plant.
Rather than going to lunch with them, why not start your own business and then you will finally learn what it's really like to balance the books and make ends meet. What it's like to deal with a lazy and dishonest employee who is literally destroying your business out of spite. What it's like to spend 10 hours a week on state and federal paperwork.
You will very swiftly become a Republican. I can guarantee it
Such a divide in our society. We're all on the same team, folks. Some of us just don't know it.
The Japanese and Koreans view UAW as a criminal organization that drove GM out of business. Even when GM was bleeding $40 billion in 2006, the UAW threatened to go on strike if health benefits were cut. What idiots! Of course a Kia or Toyota or Nissan manager is not going to want people like that in their plant.
Rather than going to lunch with them, why not start your own business and then you will finally learn what it's really like to balance the books and make ends meet. What it's like to deal with a lazy and dishonest employee who is literally destroying your business out of spite. What it's like to spend 10 hours a week on state and federal paperwork.
You will very swiftly become a Republican. I can guarantee it
Such a divide in our society. We're all on the same team, folks. Some of us just don't know it.
Just because someone once worked for a union shop doesn't mean they can't come to work for Kia and just do their job, get paid and go home.
I am sure there where lots of great workers in that pool of applicants they could of hired who would of loved to work for Kia in a non union shop, but instead they just blanket judged them all, that is that and then complained how no one is qualified.
You also seem especially concerned about sucking up and dealing with company politics. I used to work and hire in a very technical field. I do understand that a lot of technical people are introverted and outright nerds. Unfortunately even the most technical jobs require interpersonal skills.
Most jobs, the interpersonal skills are the main real requirement, because those who do the hiring don't know what to look for, other than interpersonal skills. So they hire people with good interpersonal skills without paying enough attention to their ability to actually get the work done. Only some workers have good enough interpersonal skills. And they usually aren't the same ones who have the best skills to get the work done well. Those who can do the work best need to gain other skills to succeed, but the most effective skills they could gain are the skills to become self-employed and work with the market instead of trying to work with petty bosses.
A good example is software development. When a big company, whose main activity is company politics, tries to do software development, it's full of bugs and poor design. When an individual programmer does the same work, as a hobby or one-person business, and does it several orders of magnitude more efficiently, the result is usually much higher quality, and bugs usually get fixed almost immediately when they're discovered, instead of going into a years-long backlog.
I know what I'm talking about, because I've worked for some of the biggest companies in the world, and some of the smallest. You might not see your job as being mostly company politics, but that's because you have so much skill at it that it seems effortless and not a problem at all. If something seems a lot more challenging, you probably perceive that as the real work, even if a more skilled employee could get it done far more easily than you.
I think it was Kia who opened up a new plant. Something like 3,000 people applied for jobs who had previous car manufacturing experience. Not a single one was hired and Kia complained about not being able to find anyone.
Where is that plant? What's it being used for now? Is it possible that Kia didn't actually intend to use it as a new car manufacturing plant, but just wanted to demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified employees, before using the plant for its real intended purpose?
What it's like to deal with a lazy and dishonest employee who is literally destroying your business out of spite. What it's like to spend 10 hours a week on state and federal paperwork.
It should not be hard to screen applicants for honesty and diligence. The real problem is that those who do the hiring tend to be lazy and dishonest. They hire friends of friends, regardless of qualifications. They don't bother to screen them enough. When total strangers apply, who could do the job much better, they look for excuses to reject them, even when they're actually the most honest and diligent applicants. And when there aren't any friends of friends who are even remotely qualified, and they're forced to hire total strangers, they're too lazy to investigate them enough. They base their decisions on interview skills and other obvious indicators, not bothering to look for the most qualified.
Government paperwork would not be a problem for a competent company. It can be mostly automated.
Where is that plant? What's it being used for now? Is it possible that Kia didn't actually intend to use it as a new car manufacturing plant, but just wanted to demonstrate that they couldn't find qualified employees, before using the plant for its real intended purpose?
I believe it was in Georgia. Kia also received tax breaks from the state. There is or was a big lawsuit going on. I have no idea if it is still active.
If there was a true shortage of labor and businesses had to hire, wages would be going through the roof, LPR would be climbing up, businesses would lower requirements, they would start training and apprenticeship programs etc..... and none of that is really happening.
If I want to buy a car, but I only want something 2 years old with less than 25k miles and I only want to pay 50% of new cost, and I can't find any cars like that, it doesn't mean there is a shortage of cars to buy. And if I absolutely have to have a car, I either lower my standards and get something within my budget, or I keep my high standards and pay more.
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If I want to buy a car, but I only want something 2 years old with less than 25k miles and I only want to pay 50% of new cost, and I can't find any cars like that, it doesn't mean there is a shortage of cars to buy. And if I absolutely have to have a car, I either lower my standards and get something within my budget, or I keep my high standards and pay more.
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