Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Don't forget the trades! Plumbing, welding, HVAC, electical, oil and gas, truck driving, culinary, mechanics, etc etc - some people are simply not wired together to go to college for four or more years and there is nothing wrong with that. These skilled trades (and many others) pay very well and FAR above minimum wage - some of these trades pull in well over $100,000 and more a year.
But hey, ya gotta hone those skills. You gotta have a strong work ethic. You gotta get up early, work long hours, get dirty, and it's not sexy. You don't get to wear a suit and tie or a statement necklace to work every day. But there is a big demand for people skilled in the trades, and those who go into the trades will never see minimum wage again or anywhere close.
True . I know a plumber that has done very well as a plumber . He retired from his six figure county job . He always had a side business . Always has work . He’s working a lot now even though retired . Has a nice house, goes on vacations etc .
There is now a lack of people in the trades because everyone was told to get 4 year liberal arts degrees.
Most people don’t even end up working in the field they studied in college too .
Don't forget the trades! Plumbing, welding, HVAC, electical, oil and gas, truck driving, culinary, mechanics, etc etc - some people are simply not wired together to go to college for four or more years and there is nothing wrong with that. These skilled trades (and many others) pay very well and FAR above minimum wage - some of these trades pull in well over $100,000 and more a year.
But hey, ya gotta hone those skills. You gotta have a strong work ethic. You gotta get up early, work long hours, get dirty, and it's not sexy. You don't get to wear a suit and tie or a statement necklace to work every day. But there is a big demand for people skilled in the trades, and those who go into the trades will never see minimum wage again or anywhere close.
Yep. My husband is a mechanic, and we live very comfortably in a single-family house, three kids, in the high COL location of Orange County, CA.
But being a mechanic is hard, demanding, physical work that takes a toll on you.
The rent isn’t too high . It is not in the financial interest of the landlord to keep the rent too high as the unit will be vacant .
The rent is based on what people in the area are willing and able to pay .
If the rents in the local area are too high for an individual , one must move .
Nobody has a right to live in Manhattan or Malibu just because they want to .
We live in a capitalist society . We don’t want socialism or communism because those systems don’t work in practice .
See : Venezuela
As another poster said people get roommates or they live with family .
Where did it say minimum wage was created so that single people could live alone without roommates right in the city ?
I’d like to see minimum wage be abolished . I know the pro min wage crowd always screaches
“but then employers will only pay $1 an hour !”
Well if someone only values their time at $1 an hour let them work for that .
In reality nobody would accept $1 hr an hour . Wages should be based on the demand for the labor and value of the labor . Not an arbitrary number like $15 hr like the idiot politicians in CA and elsewhere have decided .
For some reason - perhaps it's our homeowner-centric culture - nobody questions Why Is The Rent So High?
The rent is so high largely because rent-seeking, NIMBY, protectionist homeowners have vested financial and lifestyle interests in using government to create housing shortages, inflate their property values, and prevent newcomers of inferior means from moving into the neighborhood.
Minimum wage today is a cost necessitated by our NIMBY anti-housing policies.
MW workers shouldn't need to get roommates or live with family when they deserve the free markets in housing and land use that will produce an ample supply of housing.
Nobody ever tells homeowners to get roommates if they think property taxes are too high - they just use government to get what they want.
For some reason - perhaps it's our homeowner-centric culture - nobody questions Why Is The Rent So High?
The rent is so high largely because rent-seeking, NIMBY, protectionist homeowners have vested financial and lifestyle interests in using government to create housing shortages, inflate their property values, and prevent newcomers of inferior means from moving into the neighborhood.
Minimum wage today is a cost necessitated by our NIMBY anti-housing policies.
MW workers shouldn't need to get roommates or live with family when they deserve the free markets in housing and land use that will produce an ample supply of housing.
Nobody ever tells homeowners to get roommates if they think property taxes are too high - they just use government to get what they want.
No doubt there is a lot of resistance to new development . I see it in L.A too .
Although some of the resistance is justified I believe .
What I’ve seen is development happens eventually although sometimes it’s scaled back.
This is why I say it makes more sense to work the system rather than changing the system .
In L.A or NYC even if we led the developers go wild with building housing would still not be affordable for min wage workers .
If one can’t buy a home in their area , there is somewhere in the country you can buy a home .
If someone is waiting for NYC OR L.A or some other high cost area to become affordable to min wage workers they’ll be waiting forever . It’s just not happening unless you win one of those affordable housing lottos
Would you rather play the lotto ? Or take control of your path in life ?
A presumably-unencumbered single adult with modest skills is not expected to earn enough to sustain a one-bedroom apartment when first stating out; that's why we share quarters, live in rented rooms, etc.
The choice is yours; you can increase your marketabilty (and unfortunately, that usually means fitting in with a regimen imposed by somebody else rather than simply putting a wider inventory of skills in your "tool kit"), or find a less-expensive living arrangement, but only the political dream-merchants, and their hench(wo)men at Madison Avenue and Hollywood are deceitful enough to try to convince you that you can have it both ways.
Last edited by 2nd trick op; 06-17-2018 at 10:50 AM..
A presumably-unencumbered single adult with modest skills is not expected to earn enough to sustain a one-bedroom apartment when first stating out; that's why we share quarters, live in rented rooms, etc.
The choice is yours; you can increase your skills (and unfortunately, that usually means fitting in with a regimen imposed by somebody else) or find a less-expensive living arrangement, but only the political dream-merchants are deceitful enough to try to convince you that you can have it both ways.
Very true .
Here in Los Angeles the politicians are constantly promising affordable housing coming soon .
They must know the city will never be affordable for everyone . It’s lies to keep people voting for them . To keep their power .
The mayor here has literally said he’s going to work to make sure anybody can afford to live here despite their salary . It’s nuts .
The rent isn’t too high . It is not in the financial interest of the landlord to keep the rent too high as the unit will be vacant .
The rent is based on what people in the area are willing and able to pay .
If the rents in the local area are too high for an individual , one must move .
Nobody has a right to live in Manhattan or Malibu just because they want to .
We live in a capitalist society . We don’t want socialism or communism because those systems don’t work in practice .
See : Venezuela
Growing income inequality allows landlords to keep rents too high as long as there are people who can pay them. Capitalism entails underutilization AND homelessness.
If you have 1,000 apts and they're all rented, you can increase profit at a higher rent and higher vacancy.
Nobody has a right to move to Manhattan but people who already live there have a right to not be displaced by newcomers.
No doubt there is a lot of resistance to new development . I see it in L.A too .
Although some of the resistance is justified I believe .
What I’ve seen is development happens eventually although sometimes it’s scaled back.
This is why I say it makes more sense to work the system rather than changing the system .
In L.A or NYC even if we led the developers go wild with building housing would still not be affordable for min wage workers .
If one can’t buy a home in their area , there is somewhere in the country you can buy a home .
If someone is waiting for NYC OR L.A or some other high cost area to become affordable to min wage workers they’ll be waiting forever . It’s just not happening unless you win one of those affordable housing lottos
Would you rather play the lotto ? Or take control of your path in life ?
All I need and want is a 400-sq ft home on a 2,500-sf lot. Too bad government makes that option unavailable to me.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
