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Old 02-06-2019, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The “Winterfall Cooperative” in real life:
Lol no. First of all the pay what you want was never my model. I said prices can be set, only that the vendors or producers are independent of any large corporate profit scheme and set reasonable prices to benefit the workers and consumers.

Also, this model only failed because it was competing in a capitalist economy where capital equates to power, nothing is shared, and we must survive based on wages.

People in that atmosphere are not incentivized to work cooperatively.

 
Old 02-06-2019, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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To those who spoke against my obvious conception of property, read and weep. The founding fathers are on my side:

Property: Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris
 
Old 02-06-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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People in that atmosphere are not incentivized to work cooperatively.
Yes, nothing a few fully loaded AK47's couldn't solve, eh Comrade?
 
Old 02-06-2019, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Yes, nothing a few fully loaded AK47's couldn't solve, eh Comrade?
No comrade. If freedom was allowed people would pool together resources. Instead we fight for what is given to us by private authority.

Benjamin Franklin agrees with me. Why are you against him, do you think you know better?
 
Old 02-06-2019, 01:02 PM
 
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Benjamin Franklin agrees with me. Why are you against him, do you think you know better?
Where does Ben Franklin say he wants to eliminate private property rights?
 
Old 02-06-2019, 01:05 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Where does Ben Franklin say he wants to eliminate private property rights?
Look at the post above yours.

Private property and personal property are different. BF explains why capitalism is different from people having their own property vs. Charging rent and owning production:

Property: Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris
 
Old 02-06-2019, 01:31 PM
 
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Look at the post above yours.

Private property and personal property are different. BF explains why capitalism is different from people having their own property vs. Charging rent and owning production:

Property: Benjamin Franklin to Robert Morris
So if a farmer has a horse stable on an acre of land, and he's holding a fully loaded AK47, are you going to print this out as your defense when he tells you to leave?
 
Old 02-06-2019, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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So if a farmer has a horse stable on an acre of land, and he's holding a fully loaded AK47, are you going to print this out as your defense when he tells you to leave?
(sigh)...

Read the link again, working on land, having a horse, all of that is different from say owning a plantation and having workers take care of 20 horses and work the land.

If the government no longer protects that right, the workers can just run the land themselves. Read the link, it's not that long. Jefferson agrees with as well. So does Lincoln.

Why are you opposed to so many of these American patriots?
 
Old 02-06-2019, 02:03 PM
 
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Why are you opposed to so many of these American patriots?
Go Patriots, did you know they won 6 Super Bowls over the last 18 years!
 
Old 02-06-2019, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Go Patriots, did you know they won 6 Super Bowls over the last 18 years!
Lol, I love the Patriots.

I'm new to NE, but I was an easy convert.
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