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Old 01-15-2019, 05:58 PM
 
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And do you think telecom companies do this on their own accord.

It was government created meaning public works. Distributing the public works to the local level, it will still retain its overall objective.
You think global telecom and the internet as it stands today can function with a collective of disparate people trying their best at local levels?

Why on earth do you think ISPs are government created and government funded? That's simply wrong.

 
Old 01-15-2019, 06:01 PM
 
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How?

Forget about anarchy for a second. If the government no longer approves your claims to land you don't live on and will no longer protect your claims with police violence, how will you practice this 'ownership' of three houses?

edit: and as for hiring brute force... how?

If people can not accumulate capital beyond there own means, how are you going to bribe people to kick some from there own home. I guess today you can pay a bounty hunter to kill someone, doesn't mean people do it. With out state approval, no one is going to care about your claim on someone else's home.
Hiring brute force: with money.

You are falling back into your old habit of not reading what people write. If government magically disappears, what stops a group of people from starting another? How will you enforce your system?If I start a new governing organization in the void left by your system, how will you stop the new government and practice your theft of other people's hard earned belongings?
 
Old 01-15-2019, 06:16 PM
 
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You think global telecom and the internet as it stands today can function with a collective of disparate people trying their best at local levels?

Why on earth do you think ISPs are government created and government funded? That's simply wrong.
ISPs are nothing but telcos and cable companies that use existing infrastructure to serve internet connections to their customers. If your comment came from the fact that the government created ARPANET, that's a completely different closed network that was not for commercial purposes.

The ISPs peer with one another (Tier 1, tariff-free) per law, but the money is made at Tiers 2 (ILEC) and 3 (CLEC) selling transport access to data centers, enterprise, small business, and residential.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 06:42 PM
 
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ISPs are nothing but telcos and cable companies that use existing infrastructure to serve internet connections to their customers. If your comment came from the fact that the government created ARPANET, that's a completely different closed network that was not for commercial purposes.

The ISPs peer with one another (Tier 1, tariff-free) per law, but the money is made at Tiers 2 (ILEC) and 3 (CLEC) selling transport access to data centers, enterprise, small business, and residential.
Our friendly OP incorrectly said telecom was created through public works projects. I was responding to that.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 06:56 PM
 
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Our friendly OP incorrectly said telecom was created through public works projects. I was responding to that.
Gotcha.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Our friendly OP incorrectly said telecom was created through public works projects. I was responding to that.
The physical infrastructure;

And even in the case of ISPs, they are reliant on that public works and are in no way independent of it.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Hiring brute force: with money.

You are falling back into your old habit of not reading what people write. If government magically disappears, what stops a group of people from starting another? How will you enforce your system?If I start a new governing organization in the void left by your system, how will you stop the new government and practice your theft of other people's hard earned belongings?
More foolishness, I answered your question on brute force.

As for groups getting together to dominate others...

There would be a network of capital that is under usage, if capital is under usage by multiple people, another group cannot take over that capital to foment power as they must work under consensus. So a majority won't be enough in most cases.

If you are talking about a criminal gang forcing everyone to obey their rule, you then underestimate the physical capacity of a minority group.

If a small group of people try to claim a road for themselves, there force will be limited to themselves. If it is the majority of users, then good luck getting a consensus on how to organize and take over.

Your problem is is that you still imagine power grabbing in the context of pre-built infrastructure. Without that legal power for private power, people can only control what they are physically able to maintain.

And force is limited by how many are involve, and if many get involve then that is practically a cooperative of like-minded people who would find their own capital to use.
 
Old 01-15-2019, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Formerly Pleasanton Ca, now in Marietta Ga
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You all are trying to convince the op that 2+2=4. He disputes that by telling you the sky is not blue.
See how fruitless this is?
 
Old 01-15-2019, 07:08 PM
 
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This is total fiction.

Content can be created by smaller scale developers for free, maybe it won't be as high end, but who cares?

And the function of the internet was not set up by corporations, this is discernibly false.

Furthermore the internet would have a greater diversity of content without corporate control over content. Just look at what gaming mods have accomplished without collectivized work forces or the profit motive.
Your entire posts are fiction. Corporations have poured vast amounts of money into what is now the internet infrastructure and likewise with content.

Let’s start here. Tell us what devices you use to access the internet? Who is your internet provider(s). Who funded your providers? What websites do you frequent on a regular basis? Who funds the content on those websites?

A simple Google search (Google is a corporation by the way) would show you who is making investments in the infrastructure.

Start here:

http://www.analysysmason.com/About-U...tment-Oct2014/

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Old 01-15-2019, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Your entire posts are fiction. Corporations have poured vast amounts of money into what is now the internet infrastructure and likewise with content.

Let’s start here. Tell us what devices you use to access the internet? Who is your internet provider(s). Who funded your providers? What websites do you frequent on a regular basis? Who funds the content on those websites?
None relevant.

Of course content providers get paid, but that is because money has legal power in this country.

The mechanics to develop internet content are free and only cost anything when ISPs block access for a charge.

And maintaining the servers are not costly for telecom companies.

And furthermore more the technology was leased by the government to the private sector, and the foundation is still that of public works.
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