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If we do nothing we might have 100 million dead. The economy will come back. It always does. We can't get those lives back.
100 million worldwide, or 100 million just in one country (presumably the US)? 100 million dead, out of 320 million, likely results in societal collapse. 100 million dead worldwide, is maybe 1.5% total.
Each life carries its own preciousness, to be sure. We don't just throw it away, to be sure. But if the loss of life is inevitable, have we ultimately done ourselves any service, but (a) prolonging the agony, and (b) exacerbating the negative impact on the survivors?
100 million worldwide, or 100 million just in one country (presumably the US)? 100 million dead, out of 320 million, likely results in societal collapse. 100 million dead worldwide, is maybe 1.5% total.
Each life carries its own preciousness, to be sure. We don't just throw it away, to be sure. But if the loss of life is inevitable, have we ultimately done ourselves any service, but (a) prolonging the agony, and (b) exacerbating the negative impact on the survivors?
What you don't seem to understand is that the loss of life is far greater once the healthcare system collapses. Increasing the time it takes for the virus to spread means fewer very sick people arriving at hospitals all at once, so more of them will be able to get the treatment they need in order to pull through. it also buys time for researchers to investigate possible treatments and perhaps eventually to develop a vaccine.
AntiVaxxers will think what they think regardless of CoronaVirus.
As for the virus, we may never figure out CoronaVirus. It could be there are some with immunity to it. The human body is remarkable. What I do think is the case is that more have been sick than we really know about it and more died from it than we realize. Why, because it finally hit home in the past few weeks, yet we've had many travel from China (if we are to believe it really just started in China.)
I think this virus has probably been around longer than we know. I also think we are not being told everything. For one thing just how really serious is this particular virus. That is compared to other serious viruses. People get Covid19 people get better and some die. Tom Hanks and his wife both in their 60s. Already realeased from the hospital after their diagnosis. Hanks is a diabetic.
The US is going to shut itself down probably within a week. So for that to happen would warrant an event so catastrophic that I question. What really is going on, What are we not being told. There is more to this story than Covid19. More to it that people like Hanks are diagnosed and have a mild case and go home. Things just are not adding up with this level of panic and economic disaster. Surely others must be noticing this. This is not a Cholera or Bubonic. plague breakout.
So is this Virus actually catastrophic as in a death sentence. Yet many seem to get over it quite fast. Yet we are being put thru this terror. Like I said things are not adding up as this goes on.
What you don't seem to understand is that the loss of life is far greater once the healthcare system collapses. Increasing the time it takes for the virus to spread means fewer very sick people arriving at hospitals all at once, so more of them will be able to get the treatment they need in order to pull through. it also buys time for researchers to investigate possible treatments and perhaps eventually to develop a vaccine.
The idea of "buying time" implies that given enough time - whatever that means - an effective remedy can be found. This is possible, but not certain. It may be the case, that modern medicine, for all of its immeasurable victories, can only provide palliative care. The question then becomes, how many people would recover, if given proper palliative care, who would otherwise die, if denied hospital admission and told to go crawl under a park-bench? Is this millions? Thousands? How many?
By shutting down the world, we are accepting a definite devastating economic impact, in exchange for a possible reduction in loss of life. It seems to me, to be flagrantly irresponsible, to automatically assume that this trade-off is necessarily for the best.
I think this virus has probably been around longer than we know. I also think we are not being told everything. For one thing just how really serious is this particular virus. That is compared to other serious viruses. People get Covid19 people get better and some die. Tom Hanks and his wife both in their 60s. Already realeased from the hospital after their diagnosis. Hanks is a diabetic.
The US is going to shut itself down probably within a week. So for that to happen would warrant an event so catastrophic that I question. What really is going on, What are we not being told. There is more to this story than Covid19. More to it that people like Hanks are diagnosed and have a mild case and go home. Things just are not adding up with this level of panic and economic disaster. Surely others must be noticing this. This is not a Cholera or Bubonic. plague breakout.
So is this Virus actually catastrophic as in a death sentence. Yet many seem to get over it quite fast. Yet we are being put thru this terror. Like I said things are not adding up as this goes on.
Coronavirus is being used as the excuse, but the real issue is the enormous global debt burden.
Much of which is used to keep American living standards high, while much of our manufacturing and even technological base declines...
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The epidemiologists have been saying this since January. Yes the virus will burn through the world’s population because no one currently has immunity. We are going to extreme lengths with closures and quarantines to slow the spread. Why? Because the virus puts a lot of people in hospitals with pneumonia, and we can’t treat them all at once. When the hospitals are overcrowded with Covid patients, they can’t treat people with other problems.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
Yes, but flattening the curve enough to remain within our available healthcare resources would also extend the curve for many years. How long can we remain shut down? We can't do this for years. If we re-open everything in 2 or 3 months the exponential spread will restart. So far there are less than 200,000 total infected worldwide which is a drop in the bucket to the total population.
Yes, but flattening the curve enough to remain within our available healthcare resources would also extend the curve for many years. How long can we remain shut down? We can't do this for years. If we re-open everything in 2 or 3 months the exponential spread will restart. So far there are less than 200,000 total infected worldwide which is a drop in the bucket to the total population.
You do understand that 190k cases reported doesn’t mean less than 200k total right? I mean there’s no way we are even close to “just” 200k infected worldwide
The idea of "buying time" implies that given enough time - whatever that means - an effective remedy can be found. This is possible, but not certain. It may be the case, that modern medicine, for all of its immeasurable victories, can only provide palliative care. The question then becomes, how many people would recover, if given proper palliative care, who would otherwise die, if denied hospital admission and told to go crawl under a park-bench? Is this millions? Thousands? How many?
We already have drugs that appear to be effective. They are already approved and on the market. They are being repurposed and tested now.
You do understand that 190k cases reported doesn’t mean less than 200k total right? I mean there’s no way we are even close to “just” 200k infected worldwide
Whatever. Call it a million or even 5 million, or even 50 million, it's still a drop in the bucket to total population. And however many cases are out there doesn't change the number that are currenly hospitalized. The point still stands that at our capacity to treat the seriously infected it would take years if not decades to extend to the total population.
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