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Old 04-30-2020, 02:50 PM
 
Location: 30312
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Please excuse my ignorance, but I have a basic economics question to which I do not know the answer. To whom/what is the US Government in debt to? For example, when they say we are trillions of dollars in debt, to whom is that money owed? What would happen if it never got paid? If, for example, the Department of Education just said don’t pay the loans back and forget about it, what would happen to the economy?
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Old 04-30-2020, 03:12 PM
 
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Anyone who buys treasury bonds, basically. Think of them as interest-bearing IOUs, loan certificates or stock certificates in the US financial system.
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Old 04-30-2020, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Honolulu
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Google "US debtors". That should give you a pretty good idea. Lots of pie charges to put it in pictures and articles if you want more details. Basically 70-75% of debt is owned by Americans. The rest foreign entities.
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Old 04-30-2020, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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Bondholders. That includes private investors, foreign nations, the Federal Reserve, and even factions within the US government.
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Old 04-30-2020, 04:55 PM
 
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The US is in debt to me.

Basically, my entire portfolio is short-term treasuries and TIPS.

And they better pay me, or I'm so screwed.
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Old 04-30-2020, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Flyover part of Virginia
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The US is in debt to me.

Basically, my entire portfolio is short-term treasuries and TIPS.

And they better pay me, or I'm so screwed.
You'll certainly get paid. The dollars you get paid in may not be able to buy very much though.
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Old 04-30-2020, 08:56 PM
 
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Right now they are indebted to me. They promise me a stimulus check, and I have not gotten yet.
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:22 PM
 
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Used to be mostly bondholders like pension funds, foreign governments, individuals, corporations, etc.
Now MMT has shown that they don't need no stinkin' bondholders but ONE: the Federal Reserve, i.e. the Central Bank.
And the FED NEVER has to be paid off because they'll just roll the old debt over into new debt any time they need to.
For ever.
It's an economic miracle!
How cool is that?
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:34 PM
 
Location: Was Midvalley Oregon; Now Eastside Seattle area
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Right now they are indebted to me. They promise me a stimulus check, and I have not gotten yet.
Donald, has gotten around to signing yours and mine
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Old 05-01-2020, 07:18 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Donald, has gotten around to signing yours and mine
Maybe we should help him spell his name so they get rolled out faster.
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