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I think a lawsuit is justified if part of the condition of the education contract is employment or a certain amount of foot work done by the institution in relation to employment.
Many colleges, especially private institutions, will tout their ability to find employment for their grads, or the employment rate of their graduates. If a person goes to this particuliar school based on these things, and finds them to be false, I fully believe there should be some retribution.
Back to the original point of this post. And your view is ridiculous. What education contract do you think was in force? Did the university commit in writing to doing a certain amount of work to get their graduates a job? Even if they promoted their career center or other help - the student still has to compete. And the 2.7 GPA (and I suspect other shortcomings of the person in question) just wasn't good enough. Any promotion of employment rates would be presented as historical and not a prediction of the future.
Back to the original point of this post. And your view is ridiculous. What education contract do you think was in force?
If the college promoted advertisements such as "100% student placement", and failed to negate that claim in written signed paper work, the promotion could be considered a verbal guarantee.
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Did the university commit in writing to doing a certain amount of work to get their graduates a job?
I dont know if the University commited to doing any amount of work, I dont have any of the details sitting in my lap. Hence, why I said IF.
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Even if they promoted their career center or other help - the student still has to compete.
If the school advertised a certain unconditional placement guarantee as part of the educational contract, she would NOT have to compete to receive the benefit of that guarantee.
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And the 2.7 GPA (and I suspect other shortcomings of the person in question) just wasn't good enough. Any promotion of employment rates would be presented as historical and not a prediction of the future.
Who are you to make that call? Are you an attorney or admissions officer for the school she attended? Do you have intimate knowledge of everything she signed or was guaranteed? No? Ok then.
Well if you had the choice of two doctors, one who earned a 2.7 GPA in college and another whose GPA was a 3.5 which one would you choose?
A doctors GPA is totally irrelevant in my selection process. I'd present my questions to both of them and base my selection on their responses. GPA has little correlation with street smarts. GPA indicates that one is a good student, but it provides no guarantee of on-the-job excellence.
So if a med student received a 2.7 grade on his/her understanding of the human heart that would not bother you? I don't understand your way of thinking.
So if a med student received a 2.7 grade on his/her understanding of the human heart that would not bother you? I don't understand your way of thinking.
No, it would not bother me becasue I wouldn't ask about their GPA. I'd present my questions and base my selection on the responses and wether or not I felt comfortable with the person. That strategy works very well for me. If knowing the doctor has a high GPA works for you...go for it!
So if a med student received a 2.7 grade on his/her understanding of the human heart that would not bother you? I don't understand your way of thinking.
You are assuming that GPA is based on that particuliar med students understanding of the human heart. There lies the problem.
Randomdude - I have never heard of a college advertising, claiming, or otherwise assuring their students of 100% placement. That would be utterly stupid for a college to do. If one did - then they would clearly be at risk if a graduate didn't find a job. Right now - with the economy the way it is - it would be a huge problem.
The only kind of educational institution that might do this is one of the trade schools that advertises "tech" degrees on late night TV.
I have a child in college now, and another in a year. I assure you I have not seen nor heard any commitments made about my children getting jobs after they graduate. They talk about services available - but no promises.
Randomdude - I have never heard of a college advertising, claiming, or otherwise assuring their students of 100% placement. That would be utterly stupid for a college to do. If one did - then they would clearly be at risk if a graduate didn't find a job. Right now - with the economy the way it is - it would be a huge problem.
The only kind of educational institution that might do this is one of the trade schools that advertises "tech" degrees on late night TV.
I have a child in college now, and another in a year. I assure you I have not seen nor heard any commitments made about my children getting jobs after they graduate. They talk about services available - but no promises.
And if this were the case, the student would have absolutely no claim, I agree. However, I do not know what she was given, or signed, and thats why I said, IF a particuliar institution made some guarantee.
Update about the college, seems it is a trade school misrepresenting itself as a 4 year college. The measure of a students standing in the workplace, the default rate on loans, for this college from students is 9.5%, compared to 1.5% of average college students. With a cost of $2,300 a semester for instate students.
Update about the college, seems it is a trade school misrepresenting itself as a 4 year college. The measure of a students standing in the workplace, the default rate on loans, for this college from students is 9.5%, compared to 1.5% of average college students. With a cost of $2,300 a semester for instate students.
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