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Old 09-01-2009, 04:24 AM
 
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[SIZE=3]Fed Official Admits 16% Unemployment[/SIZE]
WRITTEN BY ALEX NEWMAN
MONDAY, 31 AUGUST 2009 17:30

The real number of unemployed in the United States is far more than the federal government’s official count and the recovery could be long and tenuous, a Federal Reserve official told the Chattanooga, Tennessee, Area Chamber of Commerce last week in a speech that received some media attention.

“If one considers the people who would like a job but have stopped looking — so-called discouraged workers — and those who are working fewer hours than they want, the unemployment rate would move from the official 9.4 percent to 16 percent,” explained the President and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta, Dennis Lockhart.

As reported by the AFP in an article entitled “Real US unemployment rate at 16 pct: Fed official,” Lockhart noted that neither category is considered by the U.S. labor department in its monthly unemployment estimates. He also noted that the number of people working part-time due to the economic situation has increased more in the current crisis than at any time since the Bureau of Labor Statistics started tracking the information.

He warned of a long period of high joblessness that could not be “stimulated” away with more government spending and said some of the jobs that were lost may never come back.

“My forecast for a slow recovery implies a protracted period of high unemployment," he continued. “If my prognosis for the broad economy is correct, the pace of job restoration and growth through the medium term will be frustratingly slow.”

But according to Lockhart, the solution is not more public spending. “Further fiscal stimulus has been mentioned, but the full effects of the first stimulus package are not yet clear, and the concern over adding to the federal deficit and the resulting national debt is warranted," he said.

And by the time the crisis is over, he warned, America’s job landscape could look very different. He even discussed the potential for a “jobless recovery." Lockhart explained that before the recession, 15 percent of American jobs were in manufacturing and construction — which suffered more than 40 percent of the lay-offs so far.

“In my view, it is unlikely that we will see a return of jobs lost in certain sectors, such as manufacturing," he said. “In a similar vein, the recession has been so deep in construction that a reallocation of workers is likely to happen — even if not permanent.”

He also told attendees that he was concerned about commercial real-estate weakness, which could present a serious threat to the banking system and the economic recovery. “Commercial real estate values — that is, collateral values for loans — are being revised down materially by the potent combination of increased vacancy, rent reductions, and appropriately higher capitalization rates,” he said. “Further, there is a clear link between employment trends and commercial real estate trends.” Other analysts have been warning of a coming tsunami in commercial real-estate that could further cripple the banking system, though Lockhart stopped short of such dire predictions.

As the first Fed official to highlight the true severity of unemployment during this economic crisis, Lockhart stressed that his views “do not necessarily reflect those of my colleagues on the Federal Open Market Committee.” Obama and Fed chairman Ben Bernanke would probably prefer that these numbers were not discussed, especially in light of their wildly inaccurate predictions so far.

Lockhart concluded by suggesting that the economy will eventually improve and may have already started to do so, though he does not expect any “quick fixes for the unemployment challenge ahead.” One of his suggestions for local leaders was pursuing “a human capital agenda” by advancing “education” for three and four-year-old children. Hardly something that would seem to stimulate the economy.

He claimed the Fed was going to have to keep interest rates low and walk a tight line to stave off “inflation,” without noting that the Fed has already created massive inflation by conjuring trillions of dollars — plus interest — into existence.

Lockhart’s point about government unemployment numbers make sense — not counting “discouraged” workers among the unemployed almost amounts to deception. But this should not be surprising since the government uses disputable methods to obtain various other statistics as well; notable among them the Consumer Price Index.

What does not make sense is the notion that the Fed must centrally plan the economy back to safety using artificially set interest rates and money creation or destruction schemes, as Lockhart proposes. After all, it was the Fed’s monetary policy that led to this crisis more than any other factor. The idea of the Fed engineering a “jobless recovery” doesn’t seem to make much sense either. Congress should simply abolish the non-Federal Reserve and allow the market to ******** freely. Perhaps then America wouldn’t be in a crisis “requiring” the secretive central bank’s guidance in the first place.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:12 AM
 
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If you read very carefully in there it states clearly it is his opinion, and unsupported by any hard evidence.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:23 AM
 
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If you read very carefully in there it states clearly it is his opinion, and unsupported by any hard evidence.
hahahahaha



While you may have noticed your feet are indeed wet, let me assure you that the boat is not sinking.

A Fed guy actually tells the truth, and now that is "unsupported opinion with no hard evidence?"

The Good Times Happy Motoring folks are starting to make the Tinfoiler Doomers look sensible.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: southern california
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when the mob came up the road to versailles palace there was a great party going on-- the rich conservatives had no sympathy for their silly pleas for bread aka employment and living wage.
not the first protest they had seen, and after all, they had the marines right out side protecting them. party on rush limbaugh.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:33 AM
 
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16 percent is the underemployment rate = people who can't find work or have to settle for part-time work
10.7 percent is the unemployment rate = people who can't find work including those that have temporarily stopped looking for work

Table A-12. Alternative measures of labor underutilization
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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Of course it is . But you have to relise that even in the best of times it will be at near 5% because of people that work seasonal;people who drift from jobs to job and even those that stay unemployed by basically wanting to.
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Old 09-04-2009, 01:08 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Geez...at least one person picked on the fact that this is not some big conspiracy or a statement of "opinion"...but the guy was obviously talking about U-6. Ugh.


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A Fed guy actually tells the truth, and now that is "unsupported opinion with no hard evidence?"
The fed guy is just talking about a different measure of unemployment (u-6) that is reported by the fed. It includes people that are not included in the standard measure (u-3), u-6 is not a good measure of actual unemployment and it is always higher than u-3 whether the economy is doing well or not. U-6 includes among other things a loafer that "wants a job" but spends zero time looking for one, or the guy that "would like to work full time and move out of his moms basement instead of part-time at the local comic book store...wink wink".

I'm thinking you should stick to talking about energy, economics is not working for you.
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Old 09-04-2009, 03:22 AM
 
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I'm thinking you should stick to talking about energy, economics is not working for you.


The economics you are talking is not working for the country.

Try as we might, the US of BS cannot really run on BS.
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Old 09-04-2009, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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The economics you are talking is not working for the country.
Umm.....huh? I really have no idea what this means. Anyways, I just find it funny that so many people can't even recognize when someone is talking about a well published measure of the economy... Of course that does not stop you guys from pontificating about the US economy and pretending to predict its future. People are funny like that.

Economics is one of those subjects that everyone thinks they know about and they spread their misinformation like fact. That's one thing I love about Mathematics, nobody pretends to know about Mathematics.
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Old 09-04-2009, 07:38 AM
 
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If your are unemployed, your unemployment rate is 100%. I am self-employed....so unless I decide to fire myself, my unemployment rate will always be 0%.
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