Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 09-15-2011, 06:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
6,795 posts, read 7,289,826 times
Reputation: 5194

Advertisements

SAT Scores Decline as More Students Take Test - Bloomberg

This article states "The average reading score of 497 marked the lowest since data became available in 1972, according to a report released today by the College Board, which administers the exam".
The teaching establishment has had it's own way too long, and the evidence that their way, is the wrong way is overwhelming.
It is time to go to a voucher system and bring some competition to education.

 
Old 09-15-2011, 06:56 AM
 
11,151 posts, read 15,836,462 times
Reputation: 18844
Quote:
The nonprofit College Board attributed declining scores to a larger and more diverse group taking the test, especially lower-income students and those who speak English as their second language.

“These groups may have less access to high-quality education,” Kathleen Steinberg, a spokeswoman for the New York- based College Board, said in a phone interview. “When you increase the pool, you have a greater variability in the abilities of the test takers.”

Yes, blame the teachers.
 
Old 09-15-2011, 07:29 AM
 
Location: San Diego California
6,795 posts, read 7,289,826 times
Reputation: 5194
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark of the Moon View Post
Yes, blame the teachers.
So, a group of teachers say it is not their fault, now there is a compelling argument!
 
Old 09-15-2011, 07:54 AM
 
20,793 posts, read 61,314,203 times
Reputation: 10695
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimhcom View Post
SAT Scores Decline as More Students Take Test - Bloomberg

This article states "The average reading score of 497 marked the lowest since data became available in 1972, according to a report released today by the College Board, which administers the exam".
The teaching establishment has had it's own way too long, and the evidence that their way, is the wrong way is overwhelming.
It is time to go to a voucher system and bring some competition to education.
MN has had open enrollment for over 15 years, same deal as a voucher system really, any student can go to any school in the state, hasn't helped the "poor" schools at all. They are still full of underachieving students who just don't care or their families just don't care. There is free busing for these students to go to "better" schools, they just don't do it. Until you address the issues at home, nothing is going to change. Those same schools still produce a large number of very good students, same teachers, same school, difference is family life.

MN, however, stays on top for the ACT/SAT scores once again...
 
Old 09-15-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: in area code 919 & from 716
927 posts, read 1,459,329 times
Reputation: 458
Quote:
Originally Posted by golfgal View Post
MN has had open enrollment for over 15 years, same deal as a voucher system really, any student can go to any school in the state, hasn't helped the "poor" schools at all. They are still full of underachieving students who just don't care or their families just don't care. There is free busing for these students to go to "better" schools, they just don't do it. Until you address the issues at home, nothing is going to change. Those same schools still produce a large number of very good students, same teachers, same school, difference is family life.

MN, however, stays on top for the ACT/SAT scores once again...
I am going to try to be nice here ...
I have to TOTALLY AGREE with this gal!

for years I have seen where the so called "POOR SCHOOLS" have had continuous problems

and who get blamed?

Those with a education, a significant success under their belts.

and who pays the price for bus trips to better neighborhoods?

Those with a education, a significant success under their belts AND their kid's who get ruined with low quality associations with those who demonstrate disruptive, illegal, and immoral behaviors.
Instead of elevating the problem area's - we have allowed the better qualities to be lowered
NOW - we are living the liberal patterned life!
 
Old 09-15-2011, 08:34 AM
 
5,747 posts, read 12,054,634 times
Reputation: 4512
My experience with open enrollment does not support the contention that high-performing schools suffer. Instead, the best schools appear to flourish. The low-performing schools see a mass exodus of good students from motivated, supportive families, creating an even wider gulf between the best and worst schools in a community.
 
Old 09-15-2011, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Space Coast
1,988 posts, read 5,385,835 times
Reputation: 2768
Of course the scores are going to go down when the people taking the test goes from the top college-bound students (in the past) to practically all students (these days). If anything, it shows what a huge waste of time and money reform efforts (namely NCLB) have been.
 
Old 09-15-2011, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
6,476 posts, read 7,324,646 times
Reputation: 7026
Blaming the teachers is simplistic, inaccurate, and unfair.
 
Old 09-15-2011, 01:00 PM
 
364 posts, read 1,080,681 times
Reputation: 308
Teacher - The only job you can be terrible at and get guaranteed raises, pensions, free healthcare, 14 weeks vacation, etc....
 
Old 09-15-2011, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
6,476 posts, read 7,324,646 times
Reputation: 7026
Quote:
Originally Posted by mi26 View Post
Teacher - The only job you can be terrible at and get guaranteed raises, pensions, free healthcare, 14 weeks vacation, etc....
Don't blame the teachers for that.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:06 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top