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Old 05-12-2014, 07:21 AM
 
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How, after 60 Years, Brown v. Board of Education has kept schools segregated
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Old 05-12-2014, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Absolutely nothing prevents minorities from going to college and getting an education degree and going to teach.
The very same thing is being said by the Hispanics.

No one is holding back Blacks/Hispanics from becoming teachers except themselves.
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Old 05-12-2014, 11:39 AM
 
Location: New York NY
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The Brown decision has nothing whatsoever to do with the lack of black schoolteachers.

1) Many schoolteachers have been women, and as corproations have become more inclusive since 1954, many of the smart and ambitous young black women who once had no career prospects outside of teaching--and to a lesser extent nursing-- stopped wanting to be tachers and instead headed for law, finance, medicine, media, and other higher paying fields. (At least higher paying than teaching.) Women were (are?) the bulk of the K-12 teaching force.

2) Black men don't go into teaching very often for the same reason. Nothing to do with Brown. Teaching just doesn't pay enough for the guys who've finished college and consider more lucrative career paths --and help pay off those college loans. And yes, in some quarters at least, there is still the lingering stereotype that schoolteaching is just women's work.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:21 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Read "Spreading the Wealth" by Stanley Kurtz. It's about redefining cities to "metropolitan areas" (don't remember the exact term) so the urban schools can tap into suburban wealth.
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Old 05-15-2014, 12:21 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, 615' Elevation, Zone 8b - originally from SF Bay Area
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Read "Spreading the Wealth" by Stanley Kurtz. It's about redefining cities to "metropolitan areas" (don't remember the exact term) so the urban schools can tap into suburban wealth.
This is being done now at the state level, with all classroom funding for schools being distributed to the school districts within the state on the basis of average daily attendance. Only capital improvements such as building or renovating school buildings or buying computers are funded by local school bonds that are more likely to pass in more affluent areas. They also get more funding for "extra" programs from the parent groups (PTSA, foundations), but the biggest advantage in affluent areas is educated parents who care about their children's education and can afford to move to the areas with the best schools, where the home prices are always going to be higher.
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Old 05-15-2014, 07:24 PM
 
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What I don't like is the after effects. In our area, the school a kid goes to is based upon race. This results in kids living next door to each other but one goes to the school down the road while the other goes to the school across the parish. This causes a much longer busing time as well as increased fuel cost for the district.
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Old 05-17-2014, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Oak Cliff! That's my hood!
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No one is holding back Blacks/Hispanics from becoming teachers except themselves.
Right, because the economic disparity in this country means nothing. I know all the black people I know can TOTALLY afford to pay tuition and pay anywhere between $750 and $1,500 for the intern fee in order to student teach for 3-5 months for free.
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Old 05-17-2014, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Volunteer State
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Right, because the economic disparity in this country means nothing. I know all the black people I know can TOTALLY afford to pay tuition and pay anywhere between $750 and $1,500 for the intern fee in order to student teach for 3-5 months for free.
So what? The rest of us teachers - regardless of race - had to do the same darn thing. I've been teaching for almost 20 years and am still paying off my student loans. I even worked two part-time jobs - which I was required "not to do" - during my student teaching in order to make needs meet.

Don't Bull S*#t me and the rest of us that knows it can be done.
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:39 AM
 
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This is being done now at the state level, with all classroom funding for schools being distributed to the school districts within the state on the basis of average daily attendance. Only capital improvements such as building or renovating school buildings or buying computers are funded by local school bonds that are more likely to pass in more affluent areas. They also get more funding for "extra" programs from the parent groups (PTSA, foundations), but the biggest advantage in affluent areas is educated parents who care about their children's education and can afford to move to the areas with the best schools, where the home prices are always going to be higher.
Exactly. If a child has two highly educated parents, they are going to be far more involved in his/her schooling than the single mom who is high school dropout.

I know someone who taught for years in Detroit Public Schools, and she said most of the parents viewed school as daycare, not education. Parent-teacher conferences were only attended if parents had "beef" with each other or the teacher. Another friend of mine taught in Baltimore and said he spent most of his days breaking up gang fights and trying to prevent violence. I don't care how much money you pour into a school -- if violence is breaking out daily, there will be no learning.

The federal government can force "diversity" on the schools all they want, but nothing will change until the inner-city cultures decide that education is a priority.
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Old 05-18-2014, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Volunteer State
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Brother, if you worked two part-time jobs AND have been paying student loans for that long, you're dumb as a rock. Get better grades in your next lifetime and you won't have that problem. #loanfree
Those student loans come from combining my wife's and mine together, and spreading them out over 20 years as opposed to 10. Why did we do this? We are both in the field of public education and both had starting salaries that wouldn't allow for anything else but deferring the loans (and lengthening the loan duration) until we could afford to pay them.

When you walk in my shoes - experience exactly what I and my family has, know exactly the specific circumstances that we experienced - then you can criticize. Until then, shut your d@mn mouth.

And what the hell does my grades have to do with the amount of my student loans? You sound like a fool when you talk this garbage.
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