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Old 02-07-2023, 06:35 AM
 
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Is the emphasis on STEM education hurting/discouraging kids strong in traditional humanities subjects?
No, I'd say the lack of demand and good paying jobs for traditional humanities is what's discouraging kids who are strong in traditional humanities.
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Old 02-07-2023, 07:22 AM
 
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Engineering is pretty tough as well. I remember quite a few switching over to the College of Business and pursuing their CS degree there vs staying in College of Engineering. It was the physics/math courses that got them.
How can you have a business degree in "Computer Science"??? Seems oxymoronic to me. Maybe without the oxy.

Probably the real content is "fiddling with software someone else designed" or "managing IT departments" which isn't what I think of as Computer Science.
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Old 02-07-2023, 07:44 AM
 
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How can you have a business degree in "Computer Science"??? Seems oxymoronic to me. Maybe without the oxy.

Probably the real content is "fiddling with software someone else designed" or "managing IT departments" which isn't what I think of as Computer Science.
He’s probably referring to IS (Information Systems).
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Old 02-07-2023, 08:44 AM
 
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How can you have a business degree in "Computer Science"??? Seems oxymoronic to me. Maybe without the oxy.

Probably the real content is "fiddling with software someone else designed" or "managing IT departments" which isn't what I think of as Computer Science.


MIS studies, sort-of CS light or at least more enterprise focused, tend to be housed in business schools.
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Old 02-07-2023, 01:59 PM
 
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MIS studies, sort-of CS light or at least more enterprise focused, tend to be housed in business schools.
So, basically what I said, part "fiddling with commercial software other people designed" and part "managing IT departments to make them profit centers" (i.e., Mordac the Preventer of Information Services).
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Old 02-07-2023, 02:13 PM
 
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So, basically what I said, part "fiddling with commercial software other people designed" and part "managing IT departments to make them profit centers" (i.e., Mordac the Preventer of Information Services).
You are/were being dismissive. MIS is a legit degree path from which grads find real jobs and the pay is solid.

Masters level but still.........

https://mays.tamu.edu/ms-management-...ting-salaries/



https://www.mccombs.utexas.edu/gradu...reer-outcomes/
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Old 02-07-2023, 02:25 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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So, basically what I said, part "fiddling with commercial software other people designed" and part "managing IT departments to make them profit centers" (i.e., Mordac the Preventer of Information Services).
Actually he designs and creates data centers in various countries...the entire ecosystem.
He's got quite a few years under his belt now.
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Old 02-07-2023, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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I think STEM is overpreached for 2 reasons:

1. Other countries have a very strong STEM focus as well, and their academics are beginning to really accelerate - Especially China. Looking at articles published in Phys.org, I'd say over a 1/3 come from Chinese surnames. Whatever advantage the US had in STEM, that's rapidly disappearing. In the same vein, there's only so many STEM work functions.

2. I really haven't done that much STEM work in my tech job (data strategy manager at data center company). What has been critical is writing skills, emotional intelligence, and business stuff (prioritization, use cases, timelines, documentation etc). I'd venture to say this is true at most companies actually - a lot of the work is coordination, communication, and organization, not necessarily complex problem tasks. The former are better taught in Business and Arts programs than STEM ones. My Econ work has definately helped my career, and I don't feel like I'm missing out by not having more math or computer science.
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Old 02-07-2023, 02:32 PM
 
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Actually he designs and creates data centers in various countries...the entire ecosystem.
He's got quite a few years under his belt now.
One of my wife's friends is CIO over large IT department she has an MIS degree.
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