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i made this remark in another thread. it didnt get much traction. i thought it deserved its own thread. and i think that this is really the heart of the matter and is what ive been trying to say here. it's not about Left, Right, Democrat, Republican - and all the stereotypes that have been attributed to them. this is really what i think we should be discussing here.
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so, yes, i disagree with Barack Obama on practically all matters of illegal immigration. but i will still vote for him. the bottom line is this: for the last 8 years, our government has been the very definition of Facism and has been running this country into the ground. we cannot continue on this course. we, as Americans, should not want to continue this course. that is the arguement i'm making. why we should continue on our present course -as John McCain appears to want to do- is the arguement you should be making. that is the arguement i'm looking for and not seeing. all i'm seeing, for the most part, is silly "Obama is the Boogyman" nonsense.
why is our present course good for America? why is our present course good for me? why is it good for you? why is our present course good for our children? do you care where this country is in 50 years? on our present course, where do you see this country in 50 years?
for the last 8 years, our government has been the very definition of Facism and has been running this country into the ground.
merely an opinion. why would an opinion demand any reply? obviously the writer is delusional, has no idea what facism is and then claims doom and gloom and blames it on one guy. additionally, the writer has no idea that we have a senate and congress that also shares responsibility on running the country.
so, why comment on someone who doesn't have a clue?
for the last 8 years, our government has been the very definition of Facism and has been running this country into the ground.
Leads me to question, what exactly has happened to US, over the last 8 years that would be defined as Facism?
Considering that Bush simply used (and some say abused) the powers given to him by the Clinton administration, why only 8 years? If your going to claim that we've been going down hill for 8 years, then its fair to say 16 years.
why is our present course good for America? why is our present course good for me? why is it good for you? why is our present course good for our children? do you care where this country is in 50 years? on our present course, where do you see this country in 50 years?
This all depends, I dont like our present course and dont see either nominee as making things better. McCain is simply the better of the two because Obama surely has socialistic views and plans, and thats whats been causing this country to go down hill over the last 16 years. Its becoming a nanny state and it continues to chip away at what originally made this country so great. Some people will sit and argue all day long about how becoming a nanny state is good for america, it makes them feel better to be helping those who are either to lazy, or to unfortunate to be in a position to succeed, others will claim that bailing these people out is actually unamerican and causing the roots of our problems. The truth is somewhere in the middle and the only question left to answer is how much of a helping hand is enough before people need to start to understand that socialism has not worked in the past, and it can not work. We have spent $6Trillion on welfare programs, and our national debt is $9Trillion, and the poor in this country continue to be poor.
If it helps you or not, depends soley upon your ability and willingness to succeed and work hard.
Linson is dead wrong and off target. So McCain supporters show your stuff and overwhelm him with logic and intelligence. Show the forum that the many posts by you know who etc reflect just a minority of the gray matter the right posters here have. Offset the thread titles about Gay murders etc and show him your real stuff. Overwhelm him with links to professional publications and university research.
Why is our present course good for America?
-Its not a good course. Bush has been one of the worst presidents in the history of this nation and has, undoubtedly, reduced our standing in this world. But I dont attribute Bush's problems to his ideas. I attribute it to the fact that the man was just not ready to become president. He wasn't ready to implement a Republican agenda, so instead he implemented half a$$ policies that did not fix problems. I see Obama as the exact same thing as Bush...a man who is totally inexperienced. McCain is NOT like Bush because McCain has experience. It wasn't Bush's policies that got him in trouble, it was his lack of experience.......McCain CAN implement a great agenda because I think he has the experience to do so. Ok, so his policy is similar to Bush's ideas, but in Bush's case, most of his things are just ideas because he cant implement them. I think McCain is the right one to implement an agenda that is not only effective, but will get us out of debt and strengthen the middle class. Obama...not so much. A man that has spent 1.5 years in senate is not qualified enough. Thats like saying a regular employee is ready to become CEO after working for 1.5 years. No.
Why is our present course good for me?
Its not. But I dont blame all of these other things on the president, because frankly he has no control over them. Katrina. Well, no I cant really blame a hurricane and its destruction on a president like some do. Gas prices? No. We dont have control over the prices that gas companies charge or what the middle east does. Besides, if people want to save, they should get creative. The housing crisis? No. People need to take personal responsibility for their irresponsible actions. Global warming? No. It takes a national effort to curb the problem, and we are just too lazy to stop driving or buy the fuel efficient cars. The recession? No. We have had a recession every 20 years since the great depression as a natural progression of our economy. It has happened literally every 20 years without fail. If our economy never balances itself out through a recession, inflation gets out of control and monopolies become too powerful.
Was it good for you?
No, but I think McCain can make it that way. Anyone who thinks Obama will make their lives peachy are just living in a bubble. Unless your household income is under $40K, dont expect your life to become easy....expect it to get harder because under Obama your taxes will go up, the poor will get more handouts....and where will the money come for all that.....you guessed it, your taxes. It should not be believed that Obama will somehow save you from high taxes, gas prices, AND GET RID OF THE DEBT at the same time.....anyone who knows anything about finances knows that taxes and debts dont ever work together.
Why is the present course good for your children?
THe course is horrible for our children. But, again, I think Bush had good intentions with the No Child law, BUT he is not experienced enough to know how to write and implement an effective law. This law was obviously one with good intentions, but the author was inexperienced and didnt have the experience to see its flaws. Obama, as I see it, will pass similar ineffective laws. And, getting illegal aliens out of public schools will really help too. McCain isnt great on this issue, but he is better than Obama. Once all the aliens are gone, the money will become more abundant for education. Under Obama, dont expect education to improve because, frankly, he is likely to approve just as silly of a bill as Bush did with good intentions because of his lack of experience.
DO you care where our country is in 50 years?
YES. That is why I am voting for McCain! I am sick of other countries trampling all over us, like Mexico. These foreign countries come in and expect us just to lay victim to them. Obama REFUSES to make English the official language. He REFUSES to finish the border. Things that would strengthen the unity of this country, he refuses to do...and it is sickening. Even if McCain's offshore drilling does not help gas prices IT MAKES US LESS RELIABLE ON THE MIDDLE EAST. Do you not see the broader picture McCain is painting? He has the know how, the experience, and the will to pass tough legislation to make this country stronger and keep it at #1. Obama refuses to do that because he thinks the world should work together as one coalition....and as we have seen, when you do that you are just taken advantage of.
On our present course, where do you see this country in 50 years?
Well, Obama will continue our present course of incompitent presidents who have no clue of running our country, and assuming we have incompitent presidents through 2058, our country will be #10 or less in the world. We will have no border. THere will be multiple national languages. This country will have no flag and no pledge of allegiance. 80% of our national resources will go to developing countries. Basically, we will be a collection of divided people if we continue on our path. See a similarity to how I see us in 50 years and Obama's record?
Why is our present course good for America?
-Its not a good course. Bush has been one of the worst presidents in the history of this nation and has, undoubtedly, reduced our standing in this world. But I dont attribute Bush's problems to his ideas. I attribute it to the fact that the man was just not ready to become president. He wasn't ready to implement a Republican agenda, so instead he implemented half a$$ policies that did not fix problems. I see Obama as the exact same thing as Bush...a man who is totally inexperienced. McCain is NOT like Bush because McCain has experience. It wasn't Bush's policies that got him in trouble, it was his lack of experience.......McCain CAN implement a great agenda because I think he has the experience to do so. Ok, so his policy is similar to Bush's ideas, but in Bush's case, most of his things are just ideas because he cant implement them. I think McCain is the right one to implement an agenda that is not only effective, but will get us out of debt and strengthen the middle class. Obama...not so much. A man that has spent 1.5 years in senate is not qualified enough. Thats like saying a regular employee is ready to become CEO after working for 1.5 years. No.
Why is our present course good for me?
Its not. But I dont blame all of these other things on the president, because frankly he has no control over them. Katrina. Well, no I cant really blame a hurricane and its destruction on a president like some do. Gas prices? No. We dont have control over the prices that gas companies charge or what the middle east does. Besides, if people want to save, they should get creative. The housing crisis? No. People need to take personal responsibility for their irresponsible actions. Global warming? No. It takes a national effort to curb the problem, and we are just too lazy to stop driving or buy the fuel efficient cars. The recession? No. We have had a recession every 20 years since the great depression as a natural progression of our economy. It has happened literally every 20 years without fail. If our economy never balances itself out through a recession, inflation gets out of control and monopolies become too powerful.
Was it good for you?
No, but I think McCain can make it that way. Anyone who thinks Obama will make their lives peachy are just living in a bubble. Unless your household income is under $40K, dont expect your life to become easy....expect it to get harder because under Obama your taxes will go up, the poor will get more handouts....and where will the money come for all that.....you guessed it, your taxes. It should not be believed that Obama will somehow save you from high taxes, gas prices, AND GET RID OF THE DEBT at the same time.....anyone who knows anything about finances knows that taxes and debts dont ever work together.
Why is the present course good for your children?
THe course is horrible for our children. But, again, I think Bush had good intentions with the No Child law, BUT he is not experienced enough to know how to write and implement an effective law. This law was obviously one with good intentions, but the author was inexperienced and didnt have the experience to see its flaws. Obama, as I see it, will pass similar ineffective laws. And, getting illegal aliens out of public schools will really help too. McCain isnt great on this issue, but he is better than Obama. Once all the aliens are gone, the money will become more abundant for education. Under Obama, dont expect education to improve because, frankly, he is likely to approve just as silly of a bill as Bush did with good intentions because of his lack of experience.
DO you care where our country is in 50 years?
YES. That is why I am voting for McCain! I am sick of other countries trampling all over us, like Mexico. These foreign countries come in and expect us just to lay victim to them. Obama REFUSES to make English the official language. He REFUSES to finish the border. Things that would strengthen the unity of this country, he refuses to do...and it is sickening. Even if McCain's offshore drilling does not help gas prices IT MAKES US LESS RELIABLE ON THE MIDDLE EAST. Do you not see the broader picture McCain is painting? He has the know how, the experience, and the will to pass tough legislation to make this country stronger and keep it at #1. Obama refuses to do that because he thinks the world should work together as one coalition....and as we have seen, when you do that you are just taken advantage of.
On our present course, where do you see this country in 50 years?
Well, Obama will continue our present course of incompitent presidents who have no clue of running our country, and assuming we have incompitent presidents through 2058, our country will be #10 or less in the world. We will have no border. THere will be multiple national languages. This country will have no flag and no pledge of allegiance. 80% of our national resources will go to developing countries. Basically, we will be a collection of divided people if we continue on our path. See a similarity to how I see in in 50 years and Obama's record?
Exellent response to the OP and what he wants and worthy of a point.
Bush did well with taxation and trade policy, he has been a disaster on monetary policy, the war, and illegal immigration.
McCain would pretty much continue with the good, bad, and ugly of the Bush Administration.
Obama would add disastrous fiscal policies on top of Bush's disasters and may attempt to reverse the good (or at least a Democrat-majority Congress would).
As things stand, McCain earns the vote, by a hair, for being less potentially disastrous.
We have no hope until monetary policy is at the top of the agenda. Neither candidate has any clue, nor do most Americans.
Bush did well with taxation and trade policy, he has been a disaster on monetary policy, the war, and illegal immigration.
McCain would pretty much continue with the good, bad, and ugly of the Bush Administration.
Obama would add disastrous fiscal policies on top of Bush's disasters.
As things stand, McCain earns the vote, by a hair, for being less potentially disastrous.
We have no hope until monetary policy is at the top of the agenda. Neither candidate has any clue, nor do most Americans.
I agree with most everything you say but I am confident that when with his top notch economic advisors Obama has a serious clue. My concern is his social instincts and his political advisors.
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