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Old 07-06-2013, 07:54 PM
 
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DEMOCRATS have ZERO credibility where the poor, blacks, etc are concerned. ZERO.
The republicans are the party that care about the poor and the blacks? Thanks for the Lulz!

 
Old 07-06-2013, 07:59 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Yes the GOP has had problems bring blacks onboard but i think that is soon to change. See my previous reply for why. Think nobody has been noticing? Think again.
It may, but it will be meaningless without a dramatic change in the Latino vote. We're talking of a population headed towards being 3x the black vote. Last i checked, quantity rules.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Battle Creek, MI
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The republicans are the party that care about the poor and the blacks? Thanks for the Lulz!

I posted the proof. The end! lol
 
Old 07-06-2013, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Battle Creek, MI
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It may, but it will be meaningless without a dramatic change in the Latino vote. We're talking of a population headed towards being 3x the black vote. Last i checked, quantity rules.

Most Latino's i have ever known tend to be more on thee social conservative side. One of a few reasons why i don't understand the GOP's view ofcourse i know when neocons ( not true conservatives ) there is always ulterior motives behind it as well. meh.. With them i admit i am not as certain?
 
Old 07-06-2013, 08:13 PM
 
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Most Latino's i have ever known tend to be more on thee social conservative side.
The polls of 2012 Latinos told me your Latinos you know are the reverse mirror image of the overall Latino population.

2012 sent a very clear message-it remains to be seen whether the party will become sane enough to rectify this fatal problem.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 08:16 PM
 
Location: Battle Creek, MI
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The polls of 2012 Latinos told me your Latinos you know are the reverse mirror image of the overall Latino population.

2012 sent a very clear message-it remains to be seen whether the party will become sane enough to rectify this fatal problem.

I did not say they voted republican. I said *most* i have known tend to be more on the conservative side. That did not mean they were voting republican. Thanks.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 09:11 PM
 
Location: Indianapolis
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I did not say they voted republican. I said *most* i have known tend to be more on the conservative side. That did not mean they were voting republican. Thanks.
I lived in Texas for quite a while and even dated some ladies who were first generation Americans. I would pretty much agree with you. They are almost all Catholic, and not like the Catholics in my neighborhood in Indiana who swill booze and gamble. These were the devout Catholics. Pro-life and all of that.

With that said, they generally voted Democrat because most of them were working class people who were members of unions and were big believers in the labor movement. Cesar Chavez is an icon in those parts.

I think like most people, you will find that their everyday living and economics trumps their ideology. They vote Democrat because that is the party talking about issues that REALLY impact their lives, such as amnesty, income inequality, and workers' rights, instead of things like abortion and gay marriage.

Now, you can argue whether they are on the right side of those issues, but the fact remains, those are more important issues to them. The GOP would be better served to show a little compassion on those issues if they want to swing some of those votes. They already have the fundamentalist vote so I don't understand why they are so hell bent on making abortion and gay marriage an issue.
 
Old 07-07-2013, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Battle Creek, MI
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I lived in Texas for quite a while and even dated some ladies who were first generation Americans. I would pretty much agree with you. They are almost all Catholic, and not like the Catholics in my neighborhood in Indiana who swill booze and gamble. These were the devout Catholics. Pro-life and all of that.

With that said, they generally voted Democrat because most of them were working class people who were members of unions and were big believers in the labor movement. Cesar Chavez is an icon in those parts.

I think like most people, you will find that their everyday living and economics trumps their ideology. They vote Democrat because that is the party talking about issues that REALLY impact their lives, such as amnesty, income inequality, and workers' rights, instead of things like abortion and gay marriage.

Now, you can argue whether they are on the right side of those issues, but the fact remains, those are more important issues to them. The GOP would be better served to show a little compassion on those issues if they want to swing some of those votes. They already have the fundamentalist vote so I don't understand why they are so hell bent on making abortion and gay marriage an issue.
Goes back to what i have been saying a bit on here recently and thus the neoconservatives. It is all just a effort to garner support ( which is starting to fail miserably ) for the neoconservative agenda. neoconservatives have little care for religion etc. They just want them votes to keep the war machine going. Watch and see how they change tactics in future elections to attract dem voters. Reasons why Obama is now basically Bush's twin on those matters. The sooner people in this country figure this all out the better off we all will be. As for Unions? They serve a purpose but need to be kept in check and thus one of those who support RTW which still ALLOWS them but the Union has to work harder for the worker if they want their paying support. Thus how it should be. See Detroit MI for a perfect example of what happens when they have too much control. As said as well social issues have been nothing but deflections for and from both parties which helps keep the eye off the 8 ball and thus main game which we have been doing horrible with and thus economic issues be it jobs, government expansion, spending, foreign aide, foreign policy, etc..
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