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Obama can beat Romney, many Conservatives won't vote at all.
Obama cannot beat Paul, the Constitution is a powerful tool of truth.
Only to devoted Constitutionalists. And devoted Constitutionalists do not comprise the vast majority of American voters. Devoted Constitutionalists are not only those who are conservatives; just as many are liberals, and they may see Paul less favorably than you do. After all, the Supreme Court has been deciding Constitutional issues for over 240 years now, and decisions have landed on both the conservative and liberal sides about equally.
And since the Constitution is not running for election, as it is a document and not a person, it will not be mentioned on the ballot next to Ron Paul's name. Or anyone else's name, either.
Obama can certainly beat Ron Paul, and presently shows every indication that he will if Paul is nominated.
Which means that if Paul was honest he would not even be in the Republican Party, if his message is that good a third Party would be easy to build. Maybe he will get his chance after he is rejected for the third time in 2012. While he does have some good ideas, he also has enough other ideas that when truely considered one can only realize he is Not the answer to what this Nation needs.
Nah. After 3 failed attempts, and given his age, Paul won't run again. He's already a fossil in a field full of candidates 20 years younger than him now.
I don't know how we are helping Israel now - giving aid to their enemies and interfering with governments, destabilizing the region. This somehow helps?
If we stopped helping Israel and also stopped helping their enemies, they would probably have a net gain.
We have given them lots and lots of money and arms since 1948, and are still doing so. More Jews live in America than anywhere else, and support of Israel is going to continue as long as American Jews continue to support them.
This is just part of the American way. We have Cuban-Americans who are vehemently anti-Castro, and will be until every Castro in Cuba no longer is in the Cuban government. They will make sure our relations with Cuba will be at arm's length for as close to forever as is possible.
The same is true with the Irish. More live here than in Ireland or anywhere else in the world, and some of them still identify with the homeland much more than the New World.
It is this way with every group who still has a stronger self-identification with it's ethnicity, religion, language or culture than it has with the American mainstream. The melting pot gives us all great commonality, but not everything completely melts in it.
But Paul's isolationist ideas are not good or workable in a world that is steadily more inter-dependent. Our future depends on the rest of the world just as much as the rest of the world depends on us. Foreign nations are not trees in a forest, that fall over without notice. Everything that happens to any country in the world now affects us in many tangled ways.
Our present is now a constantly shifting friend/foe situation, and the future will only bring more of this. It will only happen faster and more frequently with inter-dependence.
His ideas of shrinking the military will probably come true, but not in his 20th Century terms. Paul sees the United States as an island which stops at our borders, and this is simply not the way it is, or ever will be again. The 'fight 'em there or we will fight 'em here' sensibility is the way it will be.
While Paul's ideas might be comforting to a war-weary nation that has emerged from it's last exercise failed empire building with an empty wallet and a lot of other serious and troubling issues, the fact is those ideas are neither workable or good for the country. And since Paul has no coalition of followers inside Congress, he will not have the ability to carry any of them out. If Obama has had as much trouble has he has, how can Paul, who has never gotten any of his stuff passed except pork bills, can be expected to suddenly have the ability to sway Congress and the people?
That's magical thinking at it's most extreme.
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Not sure about that. Obama won despite all the publicity regarding his wife's alleged racist "Whitey" remarks.
Yep.
Funny how this and the Jeremiah Wright debacle gets glossed over by the media and gets tons of free passes by the *******s. Obama or his wife can either spout racist statements or associate with flaming racists, yet you don't hear a PEEP out of the 'tards.
Yet Republicans get condemned as a racist if they don't even agree with everything Obama says.
This is precisely why multitudes of people are tuning out to all this racist white noise by the *******s. And it certainly will NOT make any difference when it comes time to vote for a Republican candidate.
We have given them lots and lots of money and arms since 1948, and are still doing so. More Jews live in America than anywhere else, and support of Israel is going to continue as long as American Jews continue to support them.
This is just part of the American way. We have Cuban-Americans who are vehemently anti-Castro, and will be until every Castro in Cuba no longer is in the Cuban government. They will make sure our relations with Cuba will be at arm's length for as close to forever as is possible.
The same is true with the Irish. More live here than in Ireland or anywhere else in the world, and some of them still identify with the homeland much more than the New World.
It is this way with every group who still has a stronger self-identification with it's ethnicity, religion, language or culture than it has with the American mainstream. The melting pot gives us all great commonality, but not everything completely melts in it.
But Paul's isolationist ideas are not good or workable in a world that is steadily more inter-dependent. Our future depends on the rest of the world just as much as the rest of the world depends on us. Foreign nations are not trees in a forest, that fall over without notice. Everything that happens to any country in the world now affects us in many tangled ways.
Our present is now a constantly shifting friend/foe situation, and the future will only bring more of this. It will only happen faster and more frequently with inter-dependence.
His ideas of shrinking the military will probably come true, but not in his 20th Century terms. Paul sees the United States as an island which stops at our borders, and this is simply not the way it is, or ever will be again. The 'fight 'em there or we will fight 'em here' sensibility is the way it will be.
While Paul's ideas might be comforting to a war-weary nation that has emerged from it's last exercise failed empire building with an empty wallet and a lot of other serious and troubling issues, the fact is those ideas are neither workable or good for the country. And since Paul has no coalition of followers inside Congress, he will not have the ability to carry any of them out. If Obama has had as much trouble has he has, how can Paul, who has never gotten any of his stuff passed except pork bills, can be expected to suddenly have the ability to sway Congress and the people?
That's magical thinking at it's most extreme.
Wow, may I borrow your crystal ball? Lots of psychics here declaring that Paul has no chance(unelectable) or he will be ineffective while in office.
Another anti-paul warmonger who thinks Ron Paul is an Isolationist.
Do more research please!!!
FACT: We have to buy our allies using the tax payers money.
FACT: Those allies eventually become our enemies once they are no longer useful, or they have something we want.(oil).
The USA did little to aid Israel until 1973.
That was when Israel started becoming a welfare recipient of the USA.
As to the rest,yes,it would be crazy to think of this nation first,to abide by it's founding principles,and to NOT be the world's bully....
How can you be free and loved by all others if you don't do the above?
No, sir! The United States was the first to recognize Israel as a nation in 1948, and we armed them as fast as possible afterwards. Millions in foreign aid showed up long before the first tanks and aircraft were unloaded. That was no small feat for 1948 America, when we were still very cash-strapped after World War II.
Israel has always been a welfare recipient, if one wants to look at foreign aid in that way. Even when Israel paid for what they got, they have always gotten the first and the best of our military technologies, with only the most sensitive of them under restriction. And there were times when they didn't pay for it, but got it anyway.
These days, Israel has the most advanced self-manufactured military technology in the middle east. It has developed advanced armor, attack aircraft, and other specialized hardware, and is armed to the teeth. Facing such a formidable military makes it natural that Iran, and any other mid-east nation seeking to create it's own powerful military, to find it's own similar technologies.
But the Israel that the U.S. recognized in 1948 is not the same country today. While I don't think it is the Bully of the World any more than I think we are, or any other nation is, for sure we do not have the influence on the Kennesset that we once had, nor do we influence their leaders as much as we once did.
I believe we still take great pains not to involve them in our middle east adventures, but I am not at all sure Israel will take the same care to ensure we are left out of theirs.
It would be real nice if their fight was not our fight, but the possibility is more likely we'll get drug into some real trouble than not, to some degree, and even if Paul was elected, there is nothing he could do that would overturn 60 years of history with Israel.
I think the OP is hilarious ... The fact is Dr. Paul is shining far brighter than all the other candidates combined, whether you like him or not, he is the candidate that everyone is talking about. This is Paul's time, whether he wins the nomination or not, whether he wins the presidency or not. He is the only one talking about real change, and leading the call for Americans to wake up to the hostile takeover taking place in this country. Paul will go down in history as a great man and a true patriot, like MLK and Gandhi ... the others will be either all but forgotten, or remembered as a curse on the lips of generations to come.
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I think the OP is hilarious ... The fact is Dr. Paul is shining far brighter than all the other candidates combined, whether you like him or not, he is the candidate that everyone is talking about. This is Paul's time, whether he wins the nomination or not, whether he wins the presidency or not. He is the only one talking about real change, and leading the call for Americans to wake up to the hostile takeover taking place in this country. Paul will go down in history as a great man and a true patriot, like MLK and Gandhi ... the others will be either all but forgotten, or remembered as a curse on the lips of generations to come.
Do you still think I'm hilarious? Because quite frankly, the fall of Paul was very easy to see.
Great joke at a school I had to visit the other day: A teacher in the teacher lounge was asking us where a good place in Lake Jackson, TX would be to eat. I told her to check out Ron Paul's Chicken Restaurant. He's aware of his ownership, but he swears up and down he has never looked at or approved one recipe or dish that has ever been served.
Here is Paul defending them in 1996. Guess you should have done more research before going after the OP.
Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of ""current events and statistical reports of the time."
WHAT!!!!
So out of this entire "QUOTE" actually coming out of PAUL's MOUTH assuming it was a real quote. was ""current events and statistical reports of the time." WHAT IS THE FULL SENTENCE? Oh you mean of the 100 hundreds of newsletters mostly about MONEY and when Paul didnt even write alot of them ""current events and statistical reports of the time." some how means he is a racist? Is anyone even going to ask who did write the racist parts since it appears that was solved by someone who wanted to actually DO SOME REPORTING. You can find they linked it to someone other then Paul. If you read this poorly written excuse of news you find it mostly "quotes" the newsletters nothing to do with something he said directly. With 100 hundreds of interviews and on the house floor and many BOOKS written not ONE racist comment. You know Reagan in his 1980 campaign was called a racist by the estlishment that didnt want him to win.
Because he voted against the civil rights act of 1964 and Paul also would have voted that way. Must be racism clearly, while we are busy pretending everyone is a racist what is Obama doing to prove he is not a racist!
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