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Old 01-06-2012, 09:46 PM
 
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Obama would destroy Santorum or Perry. MR is the sole Repub with a realistic chance to defeat Obama. 400 electoral votes would be quite doable for BHO against either man.

The nation is far more centrist than either RIP or Santorum. The swing states would be the final resting spot for either.
I am not even sure if Romney can beat Obama. He is winning the Republican primary by virtue of the fact that he has lots of money and good opposition research (a.k.a a smear machine), but I do not think that he, or any Republican, except possibly Paul, really has anywhere near the organization Obama has (and has had ever since the 2008 primary).

Just in terms of ground game, getting people out to vote seems difficult for Romney. He got fewer votes in this Iowa caucus then he did in the 2008 caucus.
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I don't agree with Obama on many policies but he comes off as more consistent and honest than Romney. Neocons like Mitt Romney act like they're bipartisan but they always only bring in the worst of both parties. He does a horrible job hiding the fact that he's solely in the race to cut taxes for himself and his millionaire/billionaire buddies.

The only thing he has going for himself are the millions from his wallstreet buddies that would go to waste once again because only fatwallets and neocons want him. Problem is you don't win just with Wallstreet behind you, you need energy and boots on the ground, both which Obama would clobber Romney in.

Is Santorum tying Romney in Iowa (and Ron Paul only coming in 3pts behind) not enough proof for Romney's base to see that conservatives don't want him?
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:07 PM
 
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I am not even sure if Romney can beat Obama. He is winning the Republican primary by virtue of the fact that he has lots of money and good opposition research (a.k.a a smear machine), but I do not think that he, or any Republican, except possibly Paul, really has anywhere near the organization Obama has (and has had ever since the 2008 primary).

Just in terms of ground game, getting people out to vote seems difficult for Romney. He got fewer votes in this Iowa caucus then he did in the 2008 caucus.

There were three front runners in Iowa this time and only really two last time...that is the difference.
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Old 01-06-2012, 11:11 PM
 
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I don't agree with Obama on many policies but he comes off as more consistent and honest than Romney. Neocons like Mitt Romney act like they're bipartisan but they always only bring in the worst of both parties. He does a horrible job hiding the fact that he's solely in the race to cut taxes for himself and his millionaire/billionaire buddies.

The only thing he has going for himself are the millions from his wallstreet buddies that would go to waste once again because only fatwallets and neocons want him. Problem is you don't win just with Wallstreet behind you, you need energy and boots on the ground, both which Obama would clobber Romney in.

Is Santorum tying Romney in Iowa (and Ron Paul only coming in 3pts behind) not enough proof for Romney's base to see that conservatives don't want him?


You obviously have not read Mitt Romney's tax plan. The only people he cuts taxes for are the truly middle class...not the rich, not anyone making over $250,000.

For Romney to even win in Iowa says that he is stronger as a candidate than anyone thought. He was not even supposed to really do well there. He surpassed expectations.
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Old 01-07-2012, 08:12 AM
 
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You obviously have not read Mitt Romney's tax plan. The only people he cuts taxes for are the truly middle class...not the rich, not anyone making over $250,000.

For Romney to even win in Iowa says that he is stronger as a candidate than anyone thought. He was not even supposed to really do well there. He surpassed expectations.
He spent millions of dollars and this is second go around. He got about the same amount of support as last time. You think he surpassed expectations? If anything, the results were a huge disappointment.
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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He spent millions of dollars and this is second go around. He got about the same amount of support as last time. You think he surpassed expectations? If anything, the results were a huge disappointment.
He did better than many people expected.
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Old 01-07-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: NC
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There were three front runners in Iowa this time and only really two last time...that is the difference.
It did not seem to impact Paul who more then doubled his vote share from 2008. On top of this there was no Mike Huckabee taking 35% of the vote. I think a more interesting story though is that the Republican caucus drew 122,000 versus 119,000 in 2008 and far below the 240,000 that showed up for the 2008 Democratic caucus.
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