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Walker will lie his way to his agenda. This is his main issue.
It was never about the unions. Everyone knows the unions pensions and so forth needed to be reigned in. It is more about the underhanded way Walker deals with things.
What makes me laugh the most is how Republicans love to criticize Obama for denying Keystone because "it would have created so many jobs" yet say nothing when Walker killed jobs essentially the same way by not allowing high speed rail in his state.
He destroyed a lot of potential jobs by doing that. Since high speed rail is a "green" and "liberal" idea, I suppose it's okay in this instance. Right, Republicans?
If Amtrack can't exist without constant government handouts, what makes you think that a high speed rail would be a much better investment of government money?
The Keystone Pipeline would be a guaranteed money maker and not need government money.
............What makes me laugh the most is how Republicans love to criticize Obama for denying Keystone because "it would have created so many jobs" yet say nothing when Walker killed jobs essentially the same way by not allowing high speed rail in his state.
He destroyed a lot of potential jobs by doing that. Since high speed rail is a "green" and "liberal" idea, I suppose it's okay in this instance. Right, Republicans?
1) States are required by law to have balanced budgets.
2) States cannot "print money" for unfunded spending projects.
Neither 1 nor 2 apply to the federal government, as evident by Obama's $5 Trillion of racked up debt without a budget to date in office.
3) Keystone was a private venture not using public capital. Learn the difference between taxpayer funded and private.
Evenstar,
I encourage to read my post in response to Fl.Bob's post. The folks in Wisconsin, it would seem, prefer voter id laws. I think maybe your characterization is a bit off.
While I'm a strong advocate of reading the links that others post, the topic of this thread isn't voter registration or voter I.D. laws, but rather Governor Walker's attempt to divert federal monies supplied to help with foreclosures to bolster Wisconsin's debt. I think my characterization is very much in tune with the residents of that state, as evidenced through the link which I provided. I do appreciate the civil nature of your posts, and wish that there were more like you.
If Amtrack can't exist without constant government handouts, what makes you think that a high speed rail would be a much better investment of government...
You have any idea what you're talking about? Government hand outs? You have any idea how much goes to other forms of transportation?
Amtrak got about $1.6 billion last FY down from $2.8 billion under Bush's budget.
Fact is the FAA spends ten times that much every years. The highways in this country costs the federal government nearly $43 billion and over half of the transportation department's ARRA funds are going to the roadways, over $27 billion. While thinking about how much the federal government spends on roads don't forget that state and local governments pay even more on the roads we take for granted.
Rubber tires on concrete or asphalt is by far the biggest drain of our tax dollars. But you want to complain about the transportation mode that gives the most bang for the money we spend on it. Cost per ton-mile, water is cheapest, followed by rail, then air, and last is rubber on concrete. If you were truly fiscally conservative you would be advocating for more rails not less.
EVERYTHING spent for rail, high speed rail, mass transit (that includes buses, transit tails line and other modes) costs less than what the FAA costs, $13.6 billion vs $16.7 billion for the FAA.
Evenstar...My first post if you will go back to the beginning is very much on-topic. I was responding to Bob's 'off-topic' post, quoted here.
"It is true, Wisc is one of the battlefields that have Repub overreach. Most Americans want to see that stopped. Justice Dept is working on many other States to negate their efforts at voter suppression, etc."
I veered off the road to help Bob see that he not did provide any backup to his comments. Thought I'd help him out, since anything beyond a smarta.... quip is beyond him.
Anyway, it is in the stream of consciousness that you and Bob have with regard to Governor Walker. So, the specific perceived sin is kind of irrelevant in your minds. It's all of the same fabric, no? What happens with Walker is less important than to let silliness pass for body politic.
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Originally Posted by Evenstar51
While I'm a strong advocate of reading the links that others post, the topic of this thread isn't voter registration or voter I.D. laws, but rather Governor Walker's attempt to divert federal monies supplied to help with foreclosures to bolster Wisconsin's debt. I think my characterization is very much in tune with the residents of that state, as evidenced through the link which I provided. I do appreciate the civil nature of your posts, and wish that there were more like you.
Here is one month of air passenger traffic, "USDOT reports that U.S. airlines carried 60.5 million scheduled domestic and international passengers in April 2011." Even if one extrapolates a full year,using a fractional modifier in the formula of say - 10%, the figure is still like 653,000,000 passengers per year. Maybe this would explain why the FAA spends so much.
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Originally Posted by buzzards27
You have any idea what you're talking about? Government hand outs? You have any idea how much goes to other forms of transportation?
Amtrak got about $1.6 billion last FY down from $2.8 billion under Bush's budget.
Fact is the FAA spends ten times that much every years. The highways in this country costs the federal government nearly $43 billion and over half of the transportation department's ARRA funds are going to the roadways, over $27 billion. While thinking about how much the federal government spends on roads don't forget that state and local governments pay even more on the roads we take for granted.
Rubber tires on concrete or asphalt is by far the biggest drain of our tax dollars. But you want to complain about the transportation mode that gives the most bang for the money we spend on it. Cost per ton-mile, water is cheapest, followed by rail, then air, and last is rubber on concrete. If you were truly fiscally conservative you would be advocating for more rails not less.
EVERYTHING spent for rail, high speed rail, mass transit (that includes buses, transit tails line and other modes) costs less than what the FAA costs, $13.6 billion vs $16.7 billion for the FAA.
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Reason: gotta put those extra zeros in there
You have any idea what you're talking about? Government hand outs? You have any idea how much goes to other forms of transportation?
Amtrak got about $1.6 billion last FY down from $2.8 billion under Bush's budget.
Fact is the FAA spends ten times that much every years. The highways in this country costs the federal government nearly $43 billion and over half of the transportation department's ARRA funds are going to the roadways, over $27 billion. While thinking about how much the federal government spends on roads don't forget that state and local governments pay even more on the roads we take for granted.
Rubber tires on concrete or asphalt is by far the biggest drain of our tax dollars. But you want to complain about the transportation mode that gives the most bang for the money we spend on it. Cost per ton-mile, water is cheapest, followed by rail, then air, and last is rubber on concrete. If you were truly fiscally conservative you would be advocating for more rails not less.
EVERYTHING spent for rail, high speed rail, mass transit (that includes buses, transit tails line and other modes) costs less than what the FAA costs, $13.6 billion vs $16.7 billion for the FAA.
Amtrack is a privately owned company that needs how many billions over the years to stay afloat? Few people use it.
The Highway system is owned by the government...big difference. There are a lot of taxes that are created to fund these highways. The gas tax gives the federal and state governments more profit off of oil than the oil companies themselves.
Amtrack is a privately owned company that needs how many billions over the years to stay afloat? Few people use it.
The Highway system is owned by the government...big difference. There are a lot of taxes that are created to fund these highways. The gas tax gives the federal and state governments more profit off of oil than the oil companies themselves.
Evenstar...My first post if you will go back to the beginning is very much on-topic. I was responding to Bob's 'off-topic' post, quoted here.
"It is true, Wisc is one of the battlefields that have Repub overreach. Most Americans want to see that stopped. Justice Dept is working on many other States to negate their efforts at voter suppression, etc."
I veered off the road to help Bob see that he not did provide any backup to his comments. Thought I'd help him out, since anything beyond a smarta.... quip is beyond him.
Anyway, it is in the stream of consciousness that you and Bob have with regard to Governor Walker. So, the specific perceived sin is kind of irrelevant in your minds. It's all of the same fabric, no? What happens with Walker is less important than to let silliness pass for body politic.
Actually, it isn't so much a "stream of consciousness" as it is having many friends in my northern neighbor state, friends who keep me up to date on what's happening there. Governor Walker's "specific perceived sin" is in his hypocrisy and, being unable to stabilize WI's economy, his intention to use funds earmarked to aid those in foreclosure to keep their homes to plug gaps in the state budget. I certainly can't speak for florida.bob, but IMO Scott Walker has done far more to harm WI than to help it. What happens to Walker is a large part of the body politic, as it's an indicator of how well the Tea Party candidates have served their constituents and whether there is reason to expect them to remain as an entity in future elections.
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facts are pesky things.......
Wisc Walker wants to ..
Justice Dept is working on many other States to negate their efforts at voter suppression, etc."
No?
