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Old 07-05-2012, 02:27 PM
 
Location: PA
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I guess based on how you view the political process many of you still hold on to this belief or hope that someone is going to CHANGE things. Then again I think most of you just like when your TEAM wins and then go back to your American Idol and other mindless brainwashing TV shows and ignore what our government is up too. Some of you will be voting for more stuff, some of you will be voting to keep the stuff you have and some of you will be looking for new ways to reinvent the stuff government doesnt already give you. Of course I am finished trying to convince you that Corporations, groups of people and individuals have all sold their souls to government dependancy and there for all voting for the same thing. Individual liberty what is that?
The media basically promotes the same thing, spin for the dependancy on government from wars, to welfare and everything in between.

Get ready for the "shining" crew for the 2 piles of crap.
My advise is to stock up on water, food and guns I have the strangest feeling you will be needing them soon.
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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I guess based on how you view the political process many of you still hold on to this belief or hope that someone is going to CHANGE things. Then again I think most of you just like when your TEAM wins and then go back to your American Idol and other mindless brainwashing TV shows and ignore what our government is up too. Some of you will be voting for more stuff, some of you will be voting to keep the stuff you have and some of you will be looking for new ways to reinvent the stuff government doesnt already give you. Of course I am finished trying to convince you that Corporations, groups of people and individuals have all sold their souls to government dependancy and there for all voting for the same thing. Individual liberty what is that?
The media basically promotes the same thing, spin for the dependancy on government from wars, to welfare and everything in between.

Get ready for the "shining" crew for the 2 piles of crap.
My advise is to stock up on water, food and guns I have the strangest feeling you will be needing them soon.
Can you be specific about this "stuff?" Everybody loves stuff! I love free stuff, so if it's available I'll take it, but I don't get any government support, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Old 07-05-2012, 07:00 PM
 
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There is a problem with voting to keep what you have?
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Old 07-06-2012, 09:17 AM
 
Location: PA
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Nothing is free when it comes from the government. If the government has to tell you what you can keep, or you even have to vote to keep what you already have that means government for sometime is not interested in liberty. Bush/Clinton Romney/Obama in the end will give their verisons of freedom of which will more dependancy with a R or D call themselves progressives to conservatives but in the end have no idea what liberty really is. America loves BIG Government as long as their side wins and then they can go back to mindless TV and social networking websites.
The nations is 16 trilion in debit, SS will be BROKE and some how Romney and Obama seem to think they can bailout more of their buddies on wall street, bailout eurpore and build other nations, find ways to call government healthcare Romneycare or Obamacare and ignore we have had government run healthcare of decades! Having the TSA giving us full body searches is freedom. We have no real free markets we have no economic or real social liberty and for the most part Americans are ok trying to find new ways to control their neighbors bank accounts and other peoples PERSONAL lives. Sure we have a few million people in this country who want liberty and the rest of the 290 million people vote for more of the same. More of the same = the 2 piles of crap the 290 million will be voting for.
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Old 07-06-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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If it looks like Obama is going to give Romney a real drubbing on Election Day, I will probably vote for Gary Johnson.
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Old 07-06-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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If it looks like Obama is going to give Romney a real drubbing on Election Day, I will probably vote for Gary Johnson.

I understand why your voting for Gary Johnson for princples and liberty dreams but in the end you will still be getting to piles of crap to run your nation. You know maybe 20 years ago I would say the 2 piles of crap would still keep the nation and our freedom together this time I think America has gone so far it will never come back to liberty again.
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Old 07-06-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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In response to stuff..
Nothing is free when it comes from the government. If the government has to tell you what you can keep, or you even have to vote to keep what you already have that means government for sometime is not interested in liberty. Bush/Clinton Romney/Obama in the end will give their verisons of freedom of which will more dependancy with a R or D call themselves progressives to conservatives but in the end have no idea what liberty really is. America loves BIG Government as long as their side wins and then they can go back to mindless TV and social networking websites.
The nations is 16 trilion in debit, SS will be BROKE and some how Romney and Obama seem to think they can bailout more of their buddies on wall street, bailout eurpore and build other nations, find ways to call government healthcare Romneycare or Obamacare and ignore we have had government run healthcare of decades! Having the TSA giving us full body searches is freedom. We have no real free markets we have no economic or real social liberty and for the most part Americans are ok trying to find new ways to control their neighbors bank accounts and other peoples PERSONAL lives. Sure we have a few million people in this country who want liberty and the rest of the 290 million people vote for more of the same. More of the same = the 2 piles of crap the 290 million will be voting for.
Have you ever lived in a country other than the U.S.? I have, and frankly, America is freaking awesome. We have a level of freedom and rule of law here that is amazing, and wonderful. I am voting for the party that I feel is most likely to keep it that way. If you want to see what happens when the government REALLY screws up, go visit Egypt or something. People are dying all around the world because they want what you're so upset about.
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Old 07-06-2012, 09:52 AM
 
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Have you ever lived in a country other than the U.S.? I have, and frankly, America is freaking awesome. We have a level of freedom and rule of law here that is amazing, and wonderful. I am voting for the party that I feel is most likely to keep it that way. If you want to see what happens when the government REALLY screws up, go visit Egypt or something. People are dying all around the world because they want what you're so upset about.

And it is that exact reason I freak out to make sure the 290 million people vote for more government solutions and more government programs and empire running. Ever hear of ROME think about it then get back to me. I'm not interested in socialism and for time we have had socialism and we are on our way to facism. Dont think so go look at history, look at big brother, look at every law that is passed on the idea of stopping you from defining your own liberty and how many corrupt we have in washington.

Is this the same rule of law that can send you to prision under the suspision of terrorism with no trail, no lawyer EVEN if your american citizen. Is this the same rule of law a president can order an American citizen a terrorist and not even present the facts even if he hasn't even done anything and just have you excuted. Maybe your verison of America is alittle different then the laws you think you know. Seems to me if the president want to round up all the people who are against him and wanted freedom I could see soon he might order us terrorists. America is not freedom that is only an illusion in where you pay your taxes, ignore what they do and hope government doesnt come knocking on your door soon. About the only thing that is keeping America even close to any form of liberty is some people still hold to the balance of power in washington, some use the constitution as a political tool and enough people this nation still believe in liberty when they see fit and we have the 1st and 2nd amendment and that is ABOUT IT!
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Old 07-06-2012, 10:02 AM
 
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And it is that exact reason I freak out to make sure the 290 million people vote for more government solutions and more government programs and empire running. Ever hear of ROME think about it then get back to me. I'm not interested in socialism and for time we have had socialism and we are on our way to facism. Dont think so go look at history, look at big brother, look at every law that is passed on the idea of stopping you from defining your own liberty and how many corrupt we have in washington.

Is this the same rule of law that can send you to prision under the suspision of terrorism with no trail, no lawyer EVEN if your american citizen. Is this the same rule of law a president can order an American citizen a terrorist and not even present the facts even if he hasn't even done anything and just have you excuted. Maybe your verison of America is alittle different then the laws you think you know. Seems to me if the president want to round up all the people who are against him and wanted freedom I could see soon he might order us terrorists. America is not freedom that is only an illusion in where you pay your taxes, ignore what they do and hope government doesnt come knocking on your door soon. About the only thing that is keeping America even close to any form of liberty is some people still hold to the balance of power in washington, some use the constitution as a political tool and enough people this nation still believe in liberty when they see fit and we have the 1st and 2nd amendment and that is ABOUT IT!
1. Tone it down. You seem totally hysterical.

2. Did I say America is completely free and perfect and full of sunshine and rainbows? No. I said our level of freedom and rule of law is really, really good. Which it is. Go volunteer for Ron Paul or whatever. If you want America to be better, go make it better. Calling Presidential candidates **** is totally worthless and immature.
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Old 07-06-2012, 10:08 AM
 
Location: PA
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1. Tone it down. You seem totally hysterical.

2. Did I say America is completely free and perfect and full of sunshine and rainbows? No. I said our level of freedom and rule of law is really, really good. Which it is. Go volunteer for Ron Paul or whatever. If you want America to be better, go make it better. Calling Presidential candidates **** is totally worthless and immature.

Calling them what they are 2 piles of crap is my free speech right.
Voting for them is worthless and immature.

I wonder if Britian told the American revolutionaries to tone it down when talking about their freedoms.
Our rule of law is good if the government actually FOLLOWS it.

I do Support Ron Paul which I why I pointing out these 2 piles of crap running and of course America loves these kind of choices it appears.
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