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Old 07-24-2012, 07:06 PM
 
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I think calling the involvement of the department of defense, MIT and UC Berkley an "urban legend" pretty much shoots the credibility of your article to pieces.
The truth is somewhere in the middle. MIT came up with the idea, and sold the government on the need for them to financing it. Government then funded the development, by outsourcing it to numerous public and private entities. It was a private entity, i.e. UCLA and Stanford though that finally succeed at sending the first packet of information from 1 location to the other.

Government didnt create or invent the idea, it only funded some of the research.

Private enterprise then made it what it is today.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:26 PM
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You're not even aware that UCLA is a public university, are you?

By some of the "logic" expressed here, private industry doesn't invent anything either. After all, they merely finance development and bring things to market.

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What did they tear down? Looks like they just added additional information.
Read it again.

They tore it down by pointing out the multitude of factual errors, both about the technology and who funded the work.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:58 PM
 
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You're not even aware that UCLA is a public university, are you?

By some of the "logic" expressed here, private industry doesn't invent anything either. After all, they merely finance development and bring things to market.

Read it again.
Haha.. thats funny.. So now your down to saying that since UCLA is a public university, that anything they do should be credited to the government.

Tell me Jason.. Are UCLA employees GOVERNMENT employees?

No they arent..
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They tore it down by pointing out the multitude of factual errors, both about the technology and who funded the work.
They did not.. They simply added to the points made..

Go back to school and stop embarssing yourself..
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:06 PM
 
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The truth is somewhere in the middle. MIT came up with the idea, and sold the government on the need for them to financing it. Government then funded the development, by outsourcing it to numerous public and private entities. It was a private entity, i.e. UCLA and Stanford though that finally succeed at sending the first packet of information from 1 location to the other.

Government didnt create or invent the idea, it only funded some of the research.

Private enterprise then made it what it is today.

Yep......and when government had it solely to themselves, it LANGUISHED. The "Internet" as we know it only started to expand and become useful when private business and individuals with vision took it to new levels.

Once government got out of the way that is.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:11 PM
 
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Will Obama next say that the government somehow helped Wilbur and Orville Wright start the aviation industry too?

Seems to me that was a completely human effort entirely based on two men's ideas and skill.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:21 PM
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I see the right wingers here have been reduced to flat out lying and inventing their own reality again...
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:24 PM
 
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That would be par for the course for a Liberal......

a) Hide from the FACTS

b) Whatever you do don't bother reading the truth

c) Post nothing in rebuttal to the topic


PS: That link leads to the Wall Street Journal...LOL!!!!
They probably didn't tell you this in your classes in grade school yet, but an op ed put forward on a newspaper doesn't make something objective, proven or true. Newspapers are great for getting basic information, but anyone can write an editorial.

There's a ton of data out there about the history of the internet. Why didn't you read that? Oh wait, some right wing blog you read linked to that editorial so it gave you your opinion. That's really sad.

You probably haven't learned this in school yet, but a great deal of the technology that we have today was created for military applications. The military was instrumental in creating the internet as were other quasi-public institutions such as universities.

Nice troll though. More library time for you and less posting.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:31 PM
 
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I notice you can't add ANYTHING at all to this topic...that's what's sad.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:32 PM
 
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Will Obama next say that the government somehow helped Wilbur and Orville Wright start the aviation industry too?

Seems to me that was a completely human effort entirely based on two men's ideas and skill.
Actually, the Army Signal Corps funded some important parts of the Wright Brother's efforts
Wright brothers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Getting back to the OP, the WSJ article is a revisionist piece to fit the history of the internet into a convenient, conservative narrative. The truth is a lot more complex and messy. Government, academia, and private industry all had a role in creating computers and the internet. It's impossible to say one made a more important contribution than the other.
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Old 07-24-2012, 08:35 PM
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I notice you can't add ANYTHING at all to this topic...that's what's sad.
What's there to add?

The history is available to anyone who wants to read it.

The article in the WSJ is littered with factual errors that illustrate a complete lack of understanding of both the technology itself and how it was created.
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