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Old 08-10-2012, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Obama is banking on identity politics too a collection of gays, Blacks, Hispanics and loose single women.

Why can't Romney appeal to white men and married white women?
You answered your own question, do you honestly think that when the Republi-pigs attack women, that almost all women are going to get upset about them.

Oh and your definition of single women is laughable at best and at worst is a old white male who still thinks women don't have rights and are somehow loose for having sex, while not treating the men they have sex with as the same thing. Do you consider single men loose?
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:46 AM
 
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And that is one of his problems. The Romney campaign is focused on being anti-Obama rather than pro-Romney. People don't really know who he is and what he stands for.
That was the same mistake the Kerry campaign made in 2004.

The wildcards though are who is going to win the swing states and of course we don't know whom the VP selection will be for Romney.

IF he can close some ground, Romney could lose the popular vote but pull off enough electoral votes to win....but that's not going to happen at the bigger margins.
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Old 08-10-2012, 08:55 AM
 
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So your hope for a Romney win boils down to banking on white racism to show its ugly head. That's what Republicans like yourself have been reduced to....desperately grasping at racism to save you from an Obama victory. Pathetic.
Um, I think you are ironically missing the point.

Obama gets something like 90% of the black vote. The lower number of blacks in Ohio means that he won't get this automatic "hammer lock" like he would in states with higher % of black voters.

For you to interpret this as WHITE racism against Obama is sad and basically the opposite of the truth.

To put it another way. Ohio is 80% white. Let's assume we shifted the population to 50% white and 50% black....and Obama won the state in a landslide. You'd turn to your buddy and exclaim, gosh, we are lucky we got rid of all the white racists because that's why Obama won the state!
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:02 AM
 
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Well, that's why during the various state primaries, the Republicans were desperately trying any other "flavor of the month" candidate over Romney. Remember at various times it seemed like Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, and Gingrich were the favorites. Too bad they all imploded. Yeah, some of them were bat****e crazy, but at least those candidates stood for something other than "tax breaks for the rich". I literally don't know a single person who is a Romney fan, or who likes the policies he's proposing. The people supporting Romney right now are simply doing it because he's "not Obama" and that isn't going to translate into enough votes to win the presidential election.
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:06 AM
 
Location: North America
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I'm going to wait for the October polls. It's still early. Plus he will have the post-convention bump.

And, no, I'm not voting for Mittens Flipper.
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:08 AM
 
Location: North America
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loose single women
Wow.

If ignorance is bliss, Edward A, you must be one giggly fellow.

Loose women....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Old 08-10-2012, 09:15 AM
 
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Your poll is from Jul 9-12, 2012.

Today, Obama leads Romney 52 -45.

The most important issue may very well be the economy and Mitt Romney has not demonstrated he has any plan to improve the economy besides the same tired GOP ideas, lower taxes for the wealthy and cut social programs.

Your post just reminds me of what John Adams said, "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
This is key.

We all know that the economy is screwed up. Many of us are not real happy with Obama's performance. But, Romney simply has not come up with anything that will persuade voters that he can do a better job.

Romney seems totally lacking in a coherent vision for the future. So far, his policies seem to hark back to the Bush era. Even if things are screwed up now, I don't think there are many that think that would be a success.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:25 AM
 
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Um, I think you are ironically missing the point.

Obama gets something like 90% of the black vote. The lower number of blacks in Ohio means that he won't get this automatic "hammer lock" like he would in states with higher % of black voters.

For you to interpret this as WHITE racism against Obama is sad and basically the opposite of the truth.

To put it another way. Ohio is 80% white. Let's assume we shifted the population to 50% white and 50% black....and Obama won the state in a landslide. You'd turn to your buddy and exclaim, gosh, we are lucky we got rid of all the white racists because that's why Obama won the state!
The poster I responded to was overtly hoping that white racism would show up in Ohio to beat Obama. That's an insult to the white voters of Ohio. The poster was basically projecting his own anti-black racism on all other white people. Thankfully, whites are more sensible than that since Obama actually did win lily white states in 2008 (Ohio included).

The fact that blacks vote predominantly for Obama doesn't imply racism. Blacks vote for Democrats, and they have been voting for white Democrats for decades, or did you just conveniently leave out that important little fact? Bill Clinton got 90% of the black vote as well. Blacks and other minorities support the Democratic party (at least in its current incarnation) because minorities tend to be poor and middle class, and the Democrat party is the party that promotes the interests of the poor and middle class. Nothing to do with race.
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:45 AM
 
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I notice that this poll's sampling was:

44% Democrat
14% Independent
35% Republican

That gives the Democrats a 9 point advantage right off the top. It also doesn't sample enough Independents.

Then they broke the Republicans into two separate groups: Republican / Tea Party.

It's not much of a stretch to say that Tea Party people should be counted as Republicans.
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Old 08-10-2012, 11:19 AM
 
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First of all, this not "The Great Depression" but since you asked, this 'recovery' and I use that term loosely, has been slower than even the recovery from the Great Depression was. A lot of that slowdown has been caused by Obama's policies and horrible environment he has caused, not only for businesses. And it's not just one type of business or industry he has tried to kill, it's many. For example, just recently hundreds of coal miners lost their jobs in KY, West VA, and Pennsylvania due to his stupidity about the coal industry. Therefore, hundreds of other workers in associated industries to coal (transportation for example) lost their contracts and jobs. Obama said he would kill the coal industry in this country and he is. This is one example of why we are in the mess we are in.

People know when they are not better off than they were four years ago, they know when they are actually a lot worse off and so many are. That is what will effect how people vote.
I asked about FDR because, while this recent economic downturn was not as bad as the Great Depression, it was most certainly the worst since then. FDR didn't fix the Great Depression. All his New Deal policies had almost no effect at all, and while there was some modest recovery in the 30's, it took WWII to really start turning things around. Yet FDR was into a 4th term when he died and is considered one of America's greatest presidents. Why? There is no doubt in my mind that if he had been president right now, people like you would be calling for him to lose. I suspect most of our greatest historical presidents would not pass the opinion polls of our current, hyper-partisan hack posters. In any case, this is not to argue Obama is anything like those presidents, only to say that economics are not under the control of a president, and even our best ones were largely unable to do anything about the economy. Fast forward to today and throw in an obstructionist Congress and you are basically demanding miracles and then getting upset when water doesn't turn into wine. You are also being completely ridiculous to keep suggesting that Obama caused the downturn when, again, it started 2 years before he even took office and was in freefall in January 2009 and peaked later that year. Even if you believe he made it worse, logically he didn't even have enough time to pass the kind of legislation that would've worked fast enough to cause those national conditions.

BTW, the full recovery from the Great Depression took about 35 years. The stock market didn't regain its full value until the 1960s. Think really hard about that fact when you demand that the 2nd worst economic downturn in the last century be fixed in 3 1/2 years.
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