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Thanks for that chart 70Ford. It isn't only employment, which has risen, but is less than desirable. It's also economic growth:
This is what GDP looks like per capita, also going in the desired direction:
and job creation is better too:
The one area that is worse is overall jobs and I lay that squarely on the GOP's doorstep. They refuse to pass Obama's jobs bill while at the same time calling Obama a failure for creating jobs.
And Bill Clinton was right when he said, "the Republican argument against the president's re-election was actually pretty simple, pretty snappy. It went something like this -- we left him a total mess, he hasn't cleaned it up fast enough, so fire him, put us back in."
The GOP offers nothing more than they always propose, tax cuts, deregulation and cuts to social programs, which has nothing to do with what ails the economy -- lack of demand.
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Um, jobs go up and down, even when government does nothing.
True. But you can bet your bottom dollar that same poster would be screaming "Obama' FAULT" if that jobs chart had been a steady decline.
Going down - Obama's failed policies in action, he's a sorry president - Vote Romney.
Going up - Obama is doing "nothing", he's a sorry president - vote ROmney.
Obama can't create jobs anyway. (That's the Fed and Congress.) I just like linking a chart that shows jobs going up when someone says Obama makes them go down. Both arguments are full of @#$@ but it sure is fun to show them they are wrong about the economy becoming "like Greece" or saying that we're "at the end of days, fire and brimstone, Obama with a pitchfork" .
Thanks for that chart 70Ford. It isn't only employment, which has risen, but is less than desirable. It's also economic growth:
This is what GDP looks like per capita, also going in the desired direction:
and job creation is better too:
The one area that is worse is overall jobs and I lay that squarely on the GOP's doorstep. They refuse to pass Obama's jobs bill while at the same time calling Obama a failure for creating jobs.
Good try MTA-
Trying to make Obama look good is like polishing a turd. The effort is appreciated, however, as moveon.org always provides you with pretty graphs designed to confuse and conceal the truth! These "percent change" slight of hand graphs are amusing, if nothing else. Keep in mind that we do not spend "percent changes", we spend dollars. Further, the people out of work are not "percent changes", they are real people. We have a saying in medicine- "garbage in- garbage out". Despite your "information" being pretty, it is flatly deceptive and in contrast to the truth held by the absolute numbers. I guess statistics is not the strong suit at moveon.org.
8.1 % unemployment
real unemployment at 11.6%
$16 trillion in debt
$1.3 trillion annual deficits
50 million on foodstamps
personal incomes down 7.5%
personal savings down 40%
575,000 manufacturing jobs lost
war on coal
restrictions on offshore drilling, ANWAR and oil shale in the west
The largest tax increase in US history in Obamacare
Solyndra
Fast and Furious
Knowledge of embassy attacks 48 hours in advance with no action
Gulf oil spill disaster
Suing Arizona over enforcing US immigration law
Um, jobs go up and down, even when government does nothing.
It's undeniable that government can make it better. If government re-hired the 600,000 teachers that were layed-off unemployment would fall.
Oh, let me anticipate the knee-jerk conservative response, 'wouldn't it be better if corporations had more money in their pocket, weren't hampered by job-killing regulations and had certainty?'
Corporations are sitting on trillions in cash. There is no reason to believe giving them more billions in tax-cuts would convince them to increase capacity when they already have enough.
In any case, besides what they say, corporate profits are doing fine with that "Socialist" in the White House and all those "job killing regulations":
Trying to make Obama look good is like polishing a turd. The effort is appreciated, however, as moveon.org always provides you with pretty graphs designed to confuse and conceal the truth! These "percent change" slight of hand graphs are amusing, if nothing else. Keep in mind that we do not spend "percent changes", we spend dollars. Further, the people out of work are not "percent changes", they are real people. We have a saying in medicine- "garbage in- garbage out". Despite your "information" being pretty, it is flatly deceptive and in contrast to the truth held by the absolute numbers. I guess statistics is not the strong suit at moveon.org.
8.1 % unemployment
real unemployment at 11.6%
$16 trillion in debt
$1.3 trillion annual deficits
50 million on foodstamps
personal incomes down 7.5%
personal savings down 40%
575,000 manufacturing jobs lost
war on coal
restrictions on offshore drilling, ANWAR and oil shale in the west
The largest tax increase in US history in Obamacare
Solyndra
Fast and Furious
Knowledge of embassy attacks 48 hours in advance with no action
Gulf oil spill disaster
Suing Arizona over enforcing US immigration law
The nation knows better. Obama has already lost.
Katrina
9/11
No WMD found in Iraq
Great Recession
10+ Trillion dollar deficit
Seven Years without finding Osama Bin Laden
2 expensive unwinnable wars
This all happened the last time a Republican was in office, lets go rush out and do it again
Exactly. Ryan said recently that we are in the mess we are in not because Obama's plan didn't work the way he wanted it to, but because it DID work the way he wanted it to. It will get worse. Right now he's planning another bank bailout on the backs of American taxpayers.
Katrina 9/11 No WMD found in Iraq Great Recession 10+ Trillion dollar deficit Seven Years without finding Osama Bin Laden 2 expensive unwinnable wars
This all happened the last time a Republican was in office, lets go rush out and do it again
Katrina was not Bush's fault. Blame it on the local government who ignored orders to evacuate.
There were WMD in Iraq, but they were being moved from place to place so they would not be found.
Recession? We have been in a deep slide ever since Obama came along and decided to do all the bailouts and put our country deeper in debt than it's ever been. Don't blame Bush for that.
Like no one tried to find Osama bin Laden during Bush's years? There were a couple of points when CLINTON would have been able to get him, but he chose not to. Bush didn't have that opportunity. If intelligence can't find him, they can't find him. It's not anything Bush did or didn't do.
Would you rather have wars on foreign soil, or wait until they come here to attack us on our soil? Obama vowed to end the war, and then once he got in office and saw the intelligence, realized that we did need to be there. And now we are in Afghanistan - Obama's war on terror.
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